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Failed SCWCD with 60% Score

satheesh krishnaswamy
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Hi Everybody,

Though it isn't wise and nice to post such topic(I think I am the second who is posting the Failure result),but I want to.I want others to know about it and help me out.
Yesterday I gave the test.It was really tough.

(1)There were 70 questions in the test.But in the score card,it shows the total as 69 only. What about the other question???
(2)I scored 42 questions correctly.Missed with only one.
(3)I read HFSJ atleast thrice.It was really a wonderful book.No Doubt about it.But I really dont know where I missed.I scored 40% in the HFSJ Mock. +20% worked really in my case too..
(4)I did Anand chawla,Sun practice test,J2EE certificate,and HFSJ mock.I secured 80% in Anand chawla.
(5)The mistake I did is I didn't read SPECS at all.I thought HFSJ will suffice.
(6) Most of the questions from servlets are from Servlets SPECS only.(all API's).questions on EL were really tough.Custom Tag libraries were slightly tough too.
(7)I secured 100% in Design Patterns and 85% in WebSecurity.

Now I request all of you to kindly help me as how should I proceed this time to get through the Exam with a good score.Also please give me some other mock test links.

I am waiting in anticipation to get all your Valuable comments and Help,Please.

Regards,<br /> <br />Satheesh.K<br />-------------<br />SCJP 1.4<br />SCWCD 1.4
Christophe Verré

Joined: Nov 24, 2005
Posts: 14688

Hi Satheesh,

Thank you for sharing your experience.

(1) The first question doesn't count (I think that it is written that it is not part of the exam)
(3) 40% in the HFSJ Mock should have rung a bell
(5) I think that a lot of ranchers don't bother reading the spec. I haven't read HFSJ, so I can't tell if this is enough

You have received a score sheet, which shows you where your weak parts are.
You got 100% in design patterns, this should be fine for the next time.
So focus on your weakest parts.
When doing mocks, write down the questions you failed, and those you were not confident with.
Then check your book, and the specs if necessary. Don't just do the mock, see the result (80%), and leave. Work also and the 20% you didn't get.

You have read HFSJ thrice ? Reading is good, studying is better
You should read it again, concentrating on the parts you don't feel comfortable with.

Did you make sample programs yourself ?
This really helps.
After studying, ask yourself if you'd be able to make a sample without referring to the book.
Custom tags, custom actions, JSTL, EL...

That's all about my advices
Wishing you good luck.

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satheesh krishnaswamy
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Hi Satou,
Thanks a lot for your valuable suggestions and advices.
can you give me some links for some good mock exams.
Christophe Verré

Joined: Nov 24, 2005
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Have a look at those listed here :

Check out Mikalai's Study Guide too. (listed in the Tutorials section)
Stein Vom
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Joined: Jul 10, 2005
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Thanks for sharing satheesh! When do u plan to give th exam again? Maybe we can help. I have planned to give the exam next month.
agrah upadhyay
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Hai Satheesh,
You can follow the following steps TOO:
(1).If you have time then go through the specs once.I am saying this in case you have enough time only.Sometimes it seems that SCWCD is the exam of specs mainly
(2).Make your own notes while reading HFSJ.
(3).Design Patterns and Security are your strong areas so do not be OVERconfident .Pay complete attention to them as they are your SCORING areas.All the same,you have to study your weaker areas with much more attention
(4).Do the mock exams and note down your errors.I found to be the best.
Vishnu Prakash
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Joined: Nov 15, 2004
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My suggestion would be "Go to a movie" (or) have some fun time with friends.
First take this "Failed SCWCD Exam" out of your head.

Start freshly. EL, JSTL, Custom tags are the topics that you should concentrate. You will get plenty of questions from these topics. Take as many mocks as possible. Mock helps you identify your weak areas.

All the Best.


Servlet Spec 2.4/ Jsp Spec 2.0/ JSTL Spec 1.1 - JSTL Tag Documentation
satheesh krishnaswamy
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Thanks Vishnu and agrah upadhyay.

Actually I bought Hanumanth Deshmukh book too,but never touched it because lot of Ranchers told that it will be confusing.

I am planning to take the test soon again.

Hence Can I Study(as what Santou said,instead of Reading,I found the difference now!!) JSP Specs and JSTL Specs and then come back to HFSJ once more and then try to write the mock.

How much time should I allocate for all these..

What I am worrying now is I know the mock exam quesions of HFSJ now since I took it already.Now If I retake it,I will surely get good marks.But how do I judge myself with this??

Thanks a lot.
Christophe Verré

Joined: Nov 24, 2005
Posts: 14688

I own Deshmukh's book too and was quite disappointed by it.
So I read through the specs before going to the exam.
Read the important stuff, and take notes. The specs are quite thick, so by taking notes you can put the main things in your head, and see briefly through it before the exam.

Even if you know the mock exam questions of HFSJ, give it another try.
Make sure you feel really ok with the content.

There's a nice reminder by Marco Tedone, but I can't access it anymore:
satheesh krishnaswamy
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Thanks a lot Mr.Satou.I've misspelt your name wrongly in the earlier post.Sorry for that.

I will follow all your valuable advices and will soon let you know my Positive Results.

Thanks once again.
Paul Bourdeaux
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Sorry to hear about your score satheesh, but thank you for posting here so others may benefit.

Two things struck me when reading your post. First, you said you were only scoring 40% in the HFSJ. Since the HFSJ + 20% seems to be pretty darn consistent, that should have been a cause for concern. Do you still have your answers from the mock? If so, see which areas you were weak in and study them. Same for the result sheet you received when you took the test.

Second, you mentioned that most of the questions were from the spec, and not HFSJ. I would like you to expand on this if you can, as this is rather inconsistent with reports I have gotten from collegues and friends. The majority of the people I have spoken with say that the HFSJ is more than enough to pass (which makes sense, since the book was written to cover only what was on the exam...). For the record, though, reading through the specs is still a pretty good idea.

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satheesh krishnaswamy
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Hi All,

What I feel is for Servlets lot of questions were asked from API which we surely cannot expect to be covered in any book.

Hence I realised that reading SPECS is very much important.Otherwise HFSJ is really a nice book.NoDoubt about it.we can use it for JSP,EL,etc...

Also the other mistake I did is to correct the book based on the Errata of HFSJ.
I bought Hanumanth Deshmukh too but I never touched it till now.
Since I wrote HFSJ mock on the previous night of my real exam,I couldn't even postpone my exam,since there is no time to do so.

Anyway I require all the Java Ranchers help(possibly!!) now for my next attempt.

Thanks a lot.
Yati Tan
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Joined: May 28, 2005
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Best of luck

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