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is SCWCD worth?

raghavendra pola
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hi
i am an scjp5.0 and am planning to take SCWCD
I am doing bachelors degree in engineering and my main aim of taking is that i may get a decent employment after my bachelor's.
But my tutor advised me not to take web component developer and advised me to shift to Microsoft's . NET framework as he believed JAVA
will not have any major development in near future, and in future there will be a lot of demand for .NET. and marketplace for JAVA programmers has become saturated.

This comments by my mentor has put me in a dilemma on whether to take web component developer exam or not.
my fellow JAVA programmers, do you really believe so.
please help me.


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Marcus Green
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The demand for .NET is significant and will grow. Because it is a newer technology than Java there are fewer people who know it and thus a shortage of experts. However ....

Because Java has been around far longer there are more potential vacancies, vastly more devices and systems that use it. According to
http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/story.jsp
There are more than 4 billion Java enabled devices in existance which dwarfs the number of Windows devices. Java is the platform of choice for larger systems, i.e. those that run large organisations, which large amounts of money that can afford to hire good people and pay serious money. Java is no longer the New Kid on the Block, it is mature and no longer a novelty.

If you have got as far as you have with Java as to pass the SCJP, switching to .NET would mean something of a restart on your technology path. You would be better of staying the java path.


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raghavendra pola
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so marcus , do you want to say that by making java open -source, java will always be in demand.
Pratap koritala
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exactly same dilema...,today,i cleared scjp with 91%
Marcus Green
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It was relatively co-incidental that I saw that information with reference to the licencing of Java under the GPL. However the new license does mean that within 12 months every standard Linux distribution will include Java. To give an example of the significance of that, Linux is the preferred OS of the Chinese government which brings a potential market of over a billion people.
greame smith
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HI marcus
i am from australia, and have taken scjp and passed it with 93%.
i am studying java EE now with an aim of taking my further certifications.
but with burst of .NET into the scene and MICROSOFT'S recent revamping of its cert program,my many fellow programmers believe java may be facing stiff competition from .NET.
so, marcus do you believe
1. java and .NET will both coexist in future and
2. .NET will not eat into java's software market
actually , i was expecting a reply from bert bates on this , because (believe me) there are many fellow programmers like me who are very much in dilemma .








Marcus Green
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I Greame, there is an Aussie passport with my face on it in my drawer

Note that anything I say is not to dis .NET as a technology. It is a fine technology and a very reasonable path to select for a career... however..

Microsofts language certifications have historically been a little odd. For example I remember one of the objectives of the VB4 exams required you to memorise menu options for the IDE, very strange. But that was all a long time ago and they may well have improved it in the mean time...

1. java and .NET will both coexist in future and

I'd bet the farm on it. The Windows share of total operating systems deployed is shrinking. It is a vast, vast number but the overall share is shrinking as more and more embedded devices with an OS ship. Java can target all of those devices. The importance of the thick client is slowing slightly as DHTML becomes the interface of choice.

2.NET will not eat into java's software market
It may do slightly at the lower end. Of course there will be high end .NET projects but it will not eat into the overall market share.

Note that in the world of Microsoft programmers there has been a dilemma with the shift to VB.NET. VB.NET is such a big shift from classic VB that it makes as much sense to shift to C# or (gasp) Java.

I expect if Bert wildly disagrees he will post...
Marcus
[ January 19, 2007: Message edited by: Marcus Green ]
Joe Harry
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Why is this discussion all about?? .NET was not launched yesterday...It was there since 2 years from now. So I don't think any point in just getting to know will .NET take over Java. Even if it does a good programmer should be able to switch easily to other platform. I gave the SCJP certification and accidentally I had to take up a small work on C#.NET for which I just studied 4 days and I was able to do it. So keeping this in mind I would say that the saturation for programmers will reach only when there is no more programmers needed in this world (be it .net or java).


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Marcus Green
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Deciding which technology to specialise in is an important decision, as I have said I don't think either is going to get a monopoly position.

Of course it is possible to move between the technologies, but if you want to be an expert you need to decide which way to go.
greame smith
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HI Marcus you got to the heart of my query. you know there comes so much change in IT world in so less a time that it is very difficult to choose which way to go.The reason i put up my query was my belief that it was always good to be expert in a chosen field of language ,(which should be lucrative,after all we learn everything for money) than to be jack of all languages.
I am doing bachelors in software engineering and I wanted to know what would be salary range of a SCWCD with zero years experience(i want to write SCWCD because it may fetch me a handsome money in job!)
please reply Marcus.
Venkat Kotte
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I have worked on a .NET (C#) project sometime back. It took me about 3 weeks to understand the .NET framework and C# language.

Thing is, if you know the Java very well then it is easy to understand the .NET but if you know the .NET and you want to switch to Java then it would take definitely more time to learn Java.
Marcus Green
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It took me about 3 weeks to understand the .NET framework and C# language.

Not entirely sure what "understand" means in this context. As productive as a person who has been using those tools for a couple of years?

As for the money Graeme, I don't know what the market is like in Oz these days as I am in the yUK. An entirely inexperienced Java programmer in the UK starts in the teens of thousands, i.e. �16 - �20K but you expect to move on up the money scale after about the first 12 months.
[ January 24, 2007: Message edited by: Marcus Green ]
Indudhar Rao
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Graeme,

Preparing for SCWCD is going to give you a head start in everything from attending interviews to tasks on the job. Your preparation alone will help you do a better job at work. When looking for a job, your resume with certification will definitely give you an edge over others. But the certificate alone will boost your bargaining power for salary is something that could be debated.
raghavendra pola
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But the certificate alone will boost your bargaining power for salary is something that could be debated.

certification will always give us oppurtunity to demand more pay from our employers.
the sun.com site says that on an average, certified pros have salaries 25% premium over others.
 
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