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NEW!! SCWCD 5.0

Elton Kuzniewski
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The Sun was launching a new version of SCWCD.

It's not official, but at CertManager (http://www.certmanager.net/sun) is already listed.

See more at:
http://blog.eltonk.com.br/blojsom/default/2007/12/06/SCWCD-5-0


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Marc Peabody
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Thanks for sharing this. It is listed as an exam on the CertManager site. I don't see it anywhere else yet.

As soon as we hear anything official, Bert, Evelyn, or one of the moderators will post something here about it.


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Cameron Wallace McKenzie
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Will they go live without a beta?

So, this new SCWCD exam, plus a new SCJP 6.0 exam (link to Java 6 SCJP Certification) and SCEA in beta, could the web services certification update be that far behind?

I guess with very little changing, a beta may not be needed.

Hmmmmm.

Is it typical for mature exams to skip the beta process?

According to Marcus Green, From Another Post, it isn't.



In my 10 year tracking of the SCJP Sun has never released a new version of the exam without previously announcing that there would be a beta test period.


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[ December 06, 2007: Message edited by: Cameron McKenzie ]
Joe Harry
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So, if there will be a beta exam for SCWCD 5, who will be eligible? I mean a person having SCWCD 1.4 would be eligible?


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Now this is really making me feel lazy...


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There's nothing official yet, but for those interested, you can get the specs for Servlets 2.5 and JSP 2.1 here. If you want to know what's new, you can try the following pages :
  • What's new in Servlets 2.5
  • What's new in JSP 2.1


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    Onkar Joshi
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    Argh!

    I was planning to take SCWCD 1.4 in a week. But now I feel like waiting.

    Perhaps I'll take the SCBCD 5 test and then come back for SCWCD 5.

    Hmmmm.


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    Freddy Wong
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    Wow.. so many upgrades exams. I guess the new SCDJWS will be coming out soon, too. Sigh.. I don't have time to upgrade all my certs


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    Adam Mazurek
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    Hmmm
    I can't understand anything of what you wrote . Also on Sun's page I see no info about new version of SCWCD exam. Maybe you know the time of announcing the new exam version? I am very suprised that Sun announced new version of SCJP (6) (which is really nothing new in case of objectives - some subtle differences) but nothing about SCWCD 5.

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    Marcus Green
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    Can anyone give an official URL to any information on this?


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    Elton Kuzniewski
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    There no are official information, on CertManager (http://www.certmanager.net/sun), link to Certification Progress, the new version is already listed, though.
    If you have a netId on CertManager, make your login and see that.

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    [ December 10, 2007: Message edited by: Elton Kuzniewski ]
    Marc Peabody
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    Originally posted by Timothy Sam:
    Now this is really making me feel lazy...

    How so? SCWCD 5 won't make anything from SCWCD 1.4 obsolete. Any studying you do for 1.4 will be perfectly valid for either exam. Don't give yourself an excuse to be lazy!

    Jothi, yes, you would be able to take a beta if there is one. I plan on sitting for it myself and I already have two versions of SCWCD under my belt. Again, that could still be months and months from now... assuming the SCWCD 5 ever truly comes to fruition.
    Charles Lyons
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    How so? SCWCD 5 won't make anything from SCWCD 1.4 obsolete. Any studying you do for 1.4 will be perfectly valid for either exam.
    More than that, how much would you care to wager that the 5 objectives are identical to those of the 1.4 exam?

    Good news is all current exam study material would still apply - bad news is that I have no idea how employers will view exams with identical objectives and different names. Bad news for publishers is that the titles on current books will be wrong (like mine, which says SCWCD 1.4!). That all seems like a very confusing state of affairs!

    Not sure if there will be a Beta or not... it's tipped there will be no objective changes and Sun have been putting additional questions in the real exams recently (as many on the Ranch have commented: they have received additional unmarked questions in their exams), presumably to gauge the quality of new questions. Both suggest the prolonged process of a Beta might not be necessary.


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    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Originally posted by Charles Lyons:
    More than that, how much would you care to wager that the 5 objectives are identical to those of the 1.4 exam?



    Hi ! Charles !

    Could you post a link to the new SCWCD 5.0 objectives ?

    TIA
    MZ


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    Ketan Khairnar
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    is there a direct route to scwcd 1.5... I dont think so..from the certmanager link it looks am able to apply only for scwcd1.4 and there is upadate route from scwcd1.4 ..what do you think of this?
    Marc Peabody
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    Originally posted by Ketan Khairnar:
    is there a direct route to scwcd 1.5... I dont think so..from the certmanager link it looks am able to apply only for scwcd1.4 and there is upadate route from scwcd1.4 ..what do you think of this?

    Ummmm... CertManager says:
    (310-084) Sun Certified Web Component Developer for the Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 5 Upgrade Exam.
    (310-083) Sun Certified Web Component Developer for the Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 5.

    Did you miss that part? :roll:
    Elton Kuzniewski
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    Originally posted by Ketan Khairnar:
    from the certmanager link it looks am able to apply only for scwcd1.4


    I think that this is because the new version isn't official yet. So nobody can't be able to make it.

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    Jesus Angeles
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    Whatever it is, with or without jsf, I am glad, Head First is coming out with a book for it.
    Krishna D. Bhat
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    Hey,

    Im planing to take SCWCD. When (310-091) Sun Certified Business Component Developer for the Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 5 will be released??? any idea?

    Thanks,
    Krishna


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    Krishna D. Bhat
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    Sorry I wanted to ask:
    When (310-083) Sun Certified Web Component Developer for the Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 5. will be released??? any idea?
    Raghavan Muthu
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    As such based on the very first post in this thread, there would have been an update/post here once it is launched.

    Perhaps, you can keep watching the Sun website i would suggest!


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    Jesus Angeles
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    No one has any idea.
    Arjan Times
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    Any updates on this already? Surely the writes could tell us whether they are currently preparing a new version of their books?


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    Marcus Green
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    It's rather difficult for anyone to start writing until they know what the objectives are.
    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Originally posted by Marcus Green:
    It's rather difficult for anyone to start writing until they know what the objectives are.


    According to Bert - objectives are just the same, which makes me confused.
    Elton Kuzniewski
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    Originally posted by Mikalai Zaikin:


    According to Bert - objectives are just the same, which makes me confused.


    Where did you saw this information about Bert's says?
    Mikalai Zaikin
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    Originally posted by Elton Kuzniewski:


    Where did you saw this information about Bert's says?



    http://www.coderanch.com/t/176451/java-Web-Component-SCWCD/certification/HF-Servlets-JSP-new-vs

    The new exam doesn't have any new objectives or topics
    Jesus Angeles
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    It's chinese new year next week. In addition to prosperity, I will also wish that the new SCWCD includes jsf (its a stretch, and unlikely, but hopefully portlets too).
    Michael Raymond Jr.
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    Originally posted by Elton Kuzniewski:
    The Sun was launching a new version of SCWCD.

    It's not official, but at CertManager (http://www.certmanager.net/sun) is already listed.

    See more at:
    http://blog.eltonk.com.br/blojsom/default/2007/12/06/SCWCD-5-0


    awesome!! tell kathy and bert to write a book yesterday!


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    Paul Michael
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    It looks like a new version of HF Servlets and JSP is also on the way.


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