aspose file tools*
The moose likes Web Component Certification (SCWCD/OCPJWCD) and the fly likes SCWCD 5.0 Available! Big Moose Saloon
  Search | Java FAQ | Recent Topics | Flagged Topics | Hot Topics | Zero Replies
Register / Login
JavaRanch » Java Forums » Certification » Web Component Certification (SCWCD/OCPJWCD)
Bookmark "SCWCD 5.0 Available!" Watch "SCWCD 5.0 Available!" New topic
Author

SCWCD 5.0 Available!

Elton Kuzniewski
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 44
The SCWCD 5.0 and SCWCD 5.0 Upgrade are avaible at Exam Selection List for schedule on Prometric' website...

But, at SCWCD main Sun's website, not yet updated with this version...
Whatever, access direct link to the test page was work...
http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-083.xml
http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-084.xml

Regarts!
[ January 30, 2008: Message edited by: Elton Kuzniewski ]

Elton Kuzniewski<br>SCJA 1.0, SCJP 5.0, SCWCD 5.0, SCBCD 5.0, SCJD (B&S - working on project),
<br><a href="http://www.eltonk.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.eltonk.com.br</a>
Scott Bown
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 06, 2007
Posts: 32
just scanning the objectives of the new 5.0 exam and as Bert predicted they are the same as the 1.4? no JSF?


Android + J2EE Developer
SCJP 5.0, SCWCD 1.4, SCDJWS 5
Elton Kuzniewski
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 44
yeah... nothing of JSF...

But I think that the objectives' list are incomplete yet, because in that list was less objectives listed.
Michael Raymond Jr.
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 16, 2005
Posts: 178
Originally posted by Elton Kuzniewski:
The SCWCD 5.0 and SCWCD 5.0 Upgrade are avaible at Exam Selection List for schedule on Prometric' website...

But, at SCWCD main Sun's website, not yet updated with this version...
Whatever, access direct link to the test page was work...
http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-083.xml
http://www.sun.com/training/catalog/courses/CX-310-084.xml

Regarts!

[ January 30, 2008: Message edited by: Elton Kuzniewski ]


great, so they are supposed to be the same exam with no new content, but 1.5 needs 70% to pass and 1.4 needs 62%. Hmmmm, I wonder which one people will choose to take.


Scooby Snacks for everyone...<br /> <br />SCJA, SCJP 1.4
Marc Peabody
pie sneak
Sheriff

Joined: Feb 05, 2003
Posts: 4727

Originally posted by Scott Bown:
just scanning the objectives of the new 5.0 exam and as Bert predicted they are the same as the 1.4? no JSF?

Looks like an exact copy to me. Even the typo on Objective 6.7 is there (no bullet point). Part of it didn't copy over, either - it got cut off in the middle of section 7.

Interesting point about the pass percentage. I think if I were new I'd still take the version 5, as I wouldn't sit for the exam unless I expected at least an 80.


A good workman is known by his tools.
Bert Bates
author
Sheriff

Joined: Oct 14, 2002
Posts: 8883
    
    5
The passing percentages are based on how hard the questions have proven to be "in the field". So, if one exam has a lower passing percentage then it follows that the questions on that exam will be a bit tougher


Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
(If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
Mihai Radulescu
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 18, 2003
Posts: 918

Hi,


it seams that the points :
Building JSP Pages Using Standard Actions
Building JSP Pages Using Tag Libraries
Building a Custom Tag Library
J2EE Patterns

are now out ?
Is this really so or this is a mistake ?

Bert,you are out "inside man", you do you think ?

regards
M


SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, OCPJBCD
Cameron Wallace McKenzie
author and cow tipper
Saloon Keeper

Joined: Aug 26, 2006
Posts: 4968
    
    1

I tried to hack into those pages by putting the exam code.xml in there a few days ago and it didn't work. Darn you for beating me to it!!!

I can do without all the custom tag garbage, namely the details on creating your own. doStart tag? doBody? I could always doWithoutIt!

One big thing I'm surprised at is the lack of JSF or faces technology. The SCEA 5 exam was just loaded with JSF technology. I though for sure some knowlege of how to do a faces "Hello World" would have founds its way in there.

-Cameron McKenzie
Cameron Wallace McKenzie
author and cow tipper
Saloon Keeper

Joined: Aug 26, 2006
Posts: 4968
    
    1

Indeed, I spoke too soon.

The link is CUT OFF. If you look at the upgrade exam, it lists all of those custom tag and patterns stuff:

Upgrade Exam for SCWCD 5 Certification from Sun - The MISSING Objectives




Section 8: Building JSP Pages Using Standard Actions

* Given a design goal, create a code snippet using the following standard actions: jsp:include, jsp:forward, and jsp aram.



Section 9: Building JSP Pages Using Tag Libraries

* Given a design goal, use an appropriate JSP Standard Tag Library (JSTL v1.1) tag from the "core" tag library.



Section 10: Building a Custom Tag Library

* Given a scenario, write tag handler code to access the parent tag and an arbitrary tag ancestor.

* Describe the semantics of the "Simple" custom tag event model when the event method (doTag) is executed; write a tag handler class; and explain the constraints on the JSP content within the tag.



Section 11: J2EE Patterns

* Given a scenario description with a list of issues, select a pattern that would solve the issues. The list of patterns you must know are: Intercepting Filter, Model-View-Controller, Front Controller, Service Locator, Business Delegate, and Transfer Object.
* Match design patterns with statements describing potential benefits that accrue from the use of the pattern, for any of the following patterns: Intercepting Filter, Model-View-Controller, Front Controller, Service Locator, Business Delegate, and Transfer Object.
Marc Peabody
pie sneak
Sheriff

Joined: Feb 05, 2003
Posts: 4727

I love the cop picture:


OFFICER: Do you know why I pulled you over?
DRIVER: No... what did I do?
OFFICER: I caught you doing 1.4 in a 1.5 zone!
DRIVER: But the objectives on the exam are the same.
OFFICER: ...
DRIVER: I swear!
OFFICER: ... step out of the vehicle, sir.
Elton Kuzniewski
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 44
Originally posted by Cameron McKenzie:
Indeed, I spoke too soon.

The link is CUT OFF. If you look at the upgrade exam, it lists all of those custom tag and patterns stuff:

Upgrade Exam for SCWCD 5 Certification from Sun - The MISSING Objectives



I said that at my last post... I saw this difference yesterday.
But, now this site is official, they publish this link in this site official site Objectives:
http://www.sun.com/training/certification/objectives/index.xml

Very, very strange!

:roll:
Gunnar Maluf
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 29, 2007
Posts: 39
I think the copy and paste went all wrong

lol

regards
Gunnar


Sun Certified Associate for Java Platform
Sun Certified Java Programmer 5.0
Sun Certified Web Component Developer 5.0
Ibrahim AlShehri
Greenhorn

Joined: Jan 29, 2007
Posts: 12
i think the diff is as follows:

1- in 5.0

in "Building JSP Pages Using the Expression Language"

these are missing !:

Given a scenario, write EL code that uses the following operators: aritmetic operators, relational operators, and logical operators.
Given a scenario, write EL code that uses a function; write code for an EL function; and configure the EL function in a tag library descriptor.


2- in 5.0

"Section 11: Java EE Patterns" is missing !


SCJP 5.0 (87%)
Jesus Angeles
Ranch Hand

Joined: Feb 26, 2005
Posts: 2061
Maybe no one is actually was taking care of the new exam.

It was just posted by rats randomly stepping on the keyboard at Sun.
Mihai Radulescu
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 18, 2003
Posts: 918

An other strange thing is the absence of the beta from the new exam, what I mean in most of the cases when a new exam comes it begin with a beta phase.
This new exam does have a beta phase.

Regards,
M
Arjan Times
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 35
Originally posted by Mihai Radulescu:
An other strange thing is the absence of the beta from the new exam, what I mean in most of the cases when a new exam comes it begin with a beta phase.
This new exam does have a beta phase.


What useful purpose would a beta phase have if the exam is exactly the same? Even though Bert gives a pretty nice explanation of the fact that JSP + Servlet + JSF is too big to fit into one exam, I still feel that Sun could have done a better job on this 'upgrade'.

It's as if they thought: "Many people are asking and waiting for a SCWCD 5 exam. We're not going to give them that, but we're loosing revenues since everybody is waiting for this version 5. Let's just rename SCWCD 1.4 to SCWCD 5 and hope nobody notices".

(edit: of course they did not actually do it in this way, but I'm afraid people might feel something like this has happened)

The least they could have done (IMHO) was to include the few Servlet 2.5 and JSP 2.1 things. It's not that much and probably wouldn't justify creating a new exam for. However, if you're creating a 'new' exam anyway with the "5" in it's name from Java EE 5, how come it's still based solely on the Java EE 1.4 API?

The SCJP 5 and SCJP 6 exams also don't differ radically, but at least the 6 version has some small objectives of things that were introduced with version 6 of the JDK.
[ February 03, 2008: Message edited by: Arjan Times ]

SCJP 5 (90%)
Marc Peabody
pie sneak
Sheriff

Joined: Feb 05, 2003
Posts: 4727

That's a rather cynical stance against the Sun certification program. I hope you'll reconsider your accusations.

I encourage you to study the new items in Servlet 2.5 and JSP 1.2 - it may make you more content with Sun's decision.
Musab Al-Rawi
Ranch Hand

Joined: Aug 06, 2007
Posts: 231
Marc,

How can you differentiate between 1.4 and 1.5 if the objects are not clear on that? (I don't have experience in J2EE 1.5 so please don't mind my question)

Do you know any book that covers Web Components based on J2EE 1.5?

Would you please explain more about new items in Servlet 2.5 and JSP 1.2, in brief as I know that this is a big topic and impossible to cover in a post.

Thanks in advance,


SCBCD - SCWCD - SCJD - SCJP - OCA
Arjan Times
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 35
Originally posted by Marc Peabody:
That's a rather cynical stance against the Sun certification program. I hope you'll reconsider your accusations.


In fact, I just came back to this website to edit my comment. Perhaps a "lousy job" is indeed not correct. After all, according to Bert the exam is being revised so as to be more balanced. Same material, but more sensible questions. Of course that's more than just renaming an existing exam and I apologize for suggesting that.

Nevertheless, I think it's the sentiment that a lot of people are feeling. The same objectives and material as for 1.4 (thus corresponding to J2EE 1.4) but with a 5 in the exam's name. Perhaps "SCWCD 1.4 R2" would have been a better name, but maybe that's just my point of view.


I encourage you to study the new items in Servlet 2.5 and JSP 1.2


I read about them a long time ago (it's JSP 2.1 btw ). For people interested, this article nicely sums things up:

http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2006/jw-0102-servlet.html

Like I said, some of them are quite minor. For example, take the multiple patterns that can be used for a mapping in web.xml. Students now still have to learn that there can be only one mapping, while in fact the current version of Java EE allows for multiple mappings.

Again, it's a minor thing, but as I understand it (and maybe I failed to understand) these minor corrections/additions are not in the exam. Isn't updating an exam exactly the time when you have the opportunity to update for such small changes?

I fully understand Bert's explanation that JSF couldn't be part of the exam. That's logical; given the limited amount of questions that can reasonably be cramped into an exam, Servlet + JSP + JSF is indeed too much. It's sad that no new exam just for JSF has been created by now, but that's mostly unrelated to the 'problems' with the SCWCD update.

I just don't understand how some of the small changes that Servlet 2.5 brought didn't made it into the new SCWCD 5 exam.
Arjan Times
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 35
When looking at the objectives for 1.4 and 5 I noticed the following differences:

Title
1.4 : Exam Objectives
5 : Assignment Objectives

Section 6
1.4 : 6.7Given a specific design goal for including a JSP
5 : 6.7 Given a specific design goal for including a JSP

Section 7
1.4 :
  • Given a scenario, write EL code that uses the following operators: aritmetic operators, relational operators, and logical operators.
  • Given a scenario, write EL code that uses a function; write code for an EL function; and configure the EL function in a tag library descriptor.


  • 5 : [these parts are omitted]

    Section 11
    1.4 : Section 11: J2EE Patterns
    5 : Section 11: Java EE Patterns

    1.4 :
  • Given a scenario description with a list of issues, select a pattern that would solve the issues. The list of patterns you must know are: Intercepting Filter, Model-View-Controller, Front Controller, Service Locator, Business Delegate, and Transfer Object.
  • Match design patterns with statements describing potential benefits that accrue from the use of the pattern, for any of the following patterns: Intercepting Filter, Model-View-Controller, Front Controller, Service Locator, Business Delegate, and Transfer Object.

  • 5.0 : [these parts are omitted. Maybe a typo again, since Section 11 in SCWCD 5 is now completely empty (?)]
    [ February 03, 2008: Message edited by: Arjan Times ]
    Marc Peabody
    pie sneak
    Sheriff

    Joined: Feb 05, 2003
    Posts: 4727

    Originally posted by Arjan Times:
    I read about them a long time ago (it's JSP 2.1 btw ).

    Ah, yes. In my defense, I was typing at 1:30 in the morning.

    Thanks for the article link!
    pranay hira
    Greenhorn

    Joined: Jun 26, 2006
    Posts: 15
    Mmh are there any new books upcoming to prepare for the SCWCD 5.0?


    -------------<br />SCJA<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0
    Marcus Green
    arch rival
    Rancher

    Joined: Sep 14, 1999
    Posts: 2813
    Same books as 1.4?


    SCWCD: Online Course, 50,000+ words and 200+ questions
    http://www.examulator.com/moodle/course/view.php?id=5&topic=all
     
    I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
     
    subject: SCWCD 5.0 Available!