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SCWCD or SCDJWS

Varun Garg
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Hello,

I was preparing for SCWCD and almost went thru the HF. But is WCD worth giving?

As far as I can see there are plethora professionals out there who know JSP, Servlets. Moreover I think JSP is getting old and professionals are now using JSF/Struts/Spring. Similarly I read somewhere that EJB is also slowly going out.

So what is use of learning a technology which won�t hold in future?
I remember from my Web Semantic and Cloud Computing class professor saying that web services and Service Oriented Architecture is the next big thing and there is scarcity of professionals in that, and if you are looking to work for Google then you should learn about web services.

So I think rather toiling day and night on SCWCD and SCBCD one should put energy in SCDJWS. I am not saying that one should not learn JSP/EJB/Servlets, but I don�t see that there is any real use of putting of so much effort in that and getting certified. One can learn without getting certified and certification requires a lot of effort and time.

So it�s better to get certified and learn about web services, which is something new and not many people know about that.

What you think ranchers?

Thank You


Regards,<br />Varun garg<br />MS in Computer Science<br />SCJP - 1.4 @ 91 %
Eurig Jones
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But struts is a Servlet framework.
JSF is a Servlet Framework.
The Web part of the Spring framework is a Servlet framework.

You need to know what you're doing with Servlets before attempting to use them!!

SCWCD proves that you know this.
[ September 08, 2008: Message edited by: Eurig Jones ]
Joe Harry
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Originally posted by Varun Garg:
Hello,

I was preparing for SCWCD and almost went thru the HF. But is WCD worth giving?

As far as I can see there are plethora professionals out there who know JSP, Servlets. Moreover I think JSP is getting old and professionals are now using JSF/Struts/Spring. Similarly I read somewhere that EJB is also slowly going out.

So what is use of learning a technology which won�t hold in future?
I remember from my Web Semantic and Cloud Computing class professor saying that web services and Service Oriented Architecture is the next big thing and there is scarcity of professionals in that, and if you are looking to work for Google then you should learn about web services.

So I think rather toiling day and night on SCWCD and SCBCD one should put energy in SCDJWS. I am not saying that one should not learn JSP/EJB/Servlets, but I don�t see that there is any real use of putting of so much effort in that and getting certified. One can learn without getting certified and certification requires a lot of effort and time.

So it�s better to get certified and learn about web services, which is something new and not many people know about that.

What you think ranchers?

Thank You


As distributed computing goes in Java, EJB/JSP/Servlets are the backbone. These frameworks that you mentioned are built using this backbone. I'd definitely say that it's worth to know the basics.


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Varun Garg
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Joined: Jul 30, 2008
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Yea one should know Servlets.
Learning is ok but to get certified we have to put a lot of time and energy.
Joe Harry
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Originally posted by Varun Garg:
Yea one should know Servlets.
Learning is ok but to get certified we have to put a lot of time and energy.


I agree, but getting certified is one way of knowing things better than you would when not aiming for any certification.
Cameron Wallace McKenzie
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Personally, I think knowing Servlets will server you better as a developer, but the web services certification looks better on a resume. All sorts of Human Resources people and higher ups love talking about 'service oriented architecture' despite not having any understanding of it. A Web Services certification looks great in that regards.

Here's a neat little blog I put together on the demand for various Sun Certifications, comparing things like SCJP vs. SCJA, SCWCD vs SCBCD, SCJD vs SCEA, and other stuff like that. You might find it amusing:

Which Java IT Skills and Sun Certifications are Hot? Which Java cert to get for a good job?

-Cameron mcK
shyamsundar prabhakaran
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Joined: Sep 09, 2008
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I am new to this forum. Even my question is the same as posted. The replies suggest that it is a good to have SCWCD. There is no doubt about it. But the question is which should take higher precedence SCWCD or webservices?

I am also in the same level and I feel webservices should probably take higher preference. It is my personal opinion only.,I am looking forward to comments.
maria nm
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Joined: Oct 27, 2008
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I also have same doubt.Whether to take scwcd/scbcd/scdjws.I dnt know which one has good market.And since there are spring ,struts framework exits,whether ejb had still demand ?..
Christophe Verré
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Felix Li
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Joined: Jul 09, 2008
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Interesting topic. Here is my $.2

I think there is a point missing here, what about "experience"?

Certification should always be back by experience. In obtaining a cert., you are telling your target audience (employers) that you know the technology well and you can apply everything about it to help the company. Cert. is different than a degree. So I would suggest the following:

-if you have experience with web services and SOA, then give SCDJWS. It is an eye catcher for employer really. But at the same time, you should have experience with web development, that's part of what SOA is based on.

-if you have experience with web app development only, then give SCWCD. I just did it. It's cool and will give you a bigger tool set for doing what you're doing.

Cheers


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Christophe Verré
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SCDJWS is being updated to version 5. I don't know how much it changed, but it may be worth waiting until more material goes out.
 
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