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Henry Zhang

Joined: Jan 16, 2001
Posts: 15
Hi, All Gurus-
I am thinking to get SCJD(Sun Certified Java Developer) after I got my SCJP. One of my friends told me that there is another way to get Java certifications(see I read this forum but don't see many posts talking about their pros/cons. I wonder which is better(say more widely accepted by industries), SCJD(Sun Certified Java Developer)/SCEA(Sun Certified Enterprise Architect) or VCSD(Vendor Certified Solution Developer)/VCED(Vendor Certified Enterprise Developers)?
I read through, and feel there are more tests needs to be done before you take VCSD, such as "Object-Oriented Analysis and Design with UML test" and a company specific tool test. Is there anyone knew the difficulties of taking those exams? I personally feel the jcert lacks of standards for those tests, but jcert includes some J2EE stuff in their VCED test.
How useful is it to get jcert? Is that more popular than Sun Java certifications? Hope gurus can teach me on these issues.
Thanks in advance.

Henry Zhang
Henry Zhang

Joined: Jan 16, 2001
Posts: 15
Nobody has the answer? I think this is very important for future
Java certifications. If you work so hard on some under obsolete
Java certification process, the IT industry does not widely accept it. That's sad, isn't it?
Meadowlark Bradsher
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jan 23, 2001
Posts: 109
I also wonder about the pros, cons, and experiences of the two types of certs. I think people here have already decided to do SCJD, as I have, and thus have no interest in "hindsight analysis".
Frankly I can't control what the market thinks or how it percieves anything. If one certification is currency and another is just paper, I'll just have to keep getting them until I get the right one. The market on average is the lowest common denominator profile anyway and can't be counted on, on average, to fully reward any individual for their hard work, only partially. Only a one on one relationship can reward an individually adequately. That is speaking in general terms, on average only a one on one realtionship can provide full compensation. Thats my opinion.
On average there aren't very many one on one relationships in the market. If you have a relationship with an recruiter you are one of a batch of people, as they are to you. As with anyone. Everyone on average is expendable for any one else on average, thus on average only a one on one relationship will do.
I don't know what kind of philosphical bug bit me in my sleep last night. It may not be the kind of response you wanted.

Meadowlark Bradsher
SCJ2P, IBM XML V1, Series 7/63
Henry Zhang

Joined: Jan 16, 2001
Posts: 15
Thanks Meadowlark-
You were recalling the mathematics function definition in your dream, weren't you? Could you specify "one-on-one relationship" in more detail? I feel Vendor's Java Developer Certification is harder than SCJD since you have to pass IBM's UML Exam plus any
other company's Java platform implementation.
There are many "programmers" who know writing code but don't know how to design according to customer's specifications. I think UML is a very good standard and tool to set up a bridge between spec and implementation. Passing the SCJD + IBM UML test, you'll get
Vendor's Certified Solution Developer certificate.
I read many Java Senior developers' ads., many requires UML knowledge which I think it's correct because as a Java developer, you should master basic knowledge about software engineering. You should know the whole cycle of project(spec->design->implementation->testing->maintenance). Many projects failed or partially failed because of the step from spec to design.
This is my two cents.
Judy Xu

Joined: Feb 11, 2001
Posts: 15
I saw your name is close to my homecountry's popular surname. That is why I want to say something.
I know some information about JCert, but I think SCJD is more important than VCSD. Why not work on SCJD first, if you think VCSD is better. Both tests need us to master some fundanmentals of Java.
Henry Zhang

Joined: Jan 16, 2001
Posts: 15
Thanks for your reply! I am working on the Developer Certificate. I believe hard working can lead to success.
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