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Is the Developer Certification only valid for 2 yrs ?

Saumendra Poddar
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Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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Well recently Sun announced that its certifications will be valid for 2 yrs, and they even stamp the expiry date of the certification once u earn it. Well I am totally against this policy, and it doesn't make sense to me at all. Well there has been some discussion on this topic where other programmers had similiar views as I have. Previously, if the exam retired, u could atleast say u are currently certified in Java 1.2 (or whatever), but now u can't say that after 2 yrs, cause your certificate says it has expired, which means a re-take of the exam is required.
Anyways, does this 2 yrs validity apply for the Developer Certification too?
I strongly object if this 2 yrs validity apply for the Developer Certification cause there is alot of hard work that goes behind this certification, and lot of time is required to build the project. If all this hard work is just valid for 2 yrs, it really sounds very painful. But I really don't know if there is an exception to this Developer certification, can anyone kindly confirm.
(By the way, I had sent 3 emails to Sun regarding this question, and I did not hear anything from them in reply.)


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John Lee
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I think it is unlikely the scjd will be valid for just two years. Think about it, after two years, you have to update scjd? how? it is not a scjp, they can just make a upgrade exam. If you have to redo the project and Sun still use the same project, you can just resubmit your assignment.
So the only way to go is to have a new project every two years. Is it possible? If sun has that kind of resources, they should have a couple of projects available before.
Aruna Raghavan
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So, is Sun now going to keep track each and every individual that took this test and passed so they can "decertify" them after 2 years, that's bizzarre.


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John Smith
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So, is Sun now going to keep track each and every individual that took this test and passed so they can "decertify" them after 2 years, that's bizzarre.

Right, that doesn't make any sense. My guess is that this is a Sun's pitiful attempt to make a buck while they lost money in 5 out of the last 6 quarters.
Eugene.
Saumendra Poddar
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From the following link,
Sun Recertification, this is what sun is saying about re-certifications
Recertification Policy
Unless otherwise stated, and beginning with all Sun Certification exams taken after September 1, 2002, certification offerings from Sun are valid for two (2) years from the date of certification. The certification date will appear on both a certificate and an identification card with the applicable certification title. The identification card will also include an expiration date, on which an IT professional's Sun certification status expires.
So when they have clearly mentioned "all certification", I guess that means it includes the developer certification too. I just don't think this policy is right that after 2 yrs, the developer certification will be invalid. And most probably since there cannot be a upgrade certication of the developer certiification, Sun will make a re-take for this developer certification as a requirement. This is totally un-fair, and it clearly looks like as if Sun is trying to make money out of certifications. Thinking about the hard work, and the money required for this certification, 2 yrs validity for a developer certification is just not worth the stuggle behind it!!!
Totally unfair !!!
[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: Saumendra Poddar ]
Jai Karuppuswamy
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First off, let me state that it IS unfair on Sun's part to design such devious ways of making more bucks.
On the other hand, I don't feel that the certification will become invalid after two years. If you follow the link above to the faq page, it is clearly mentioned that you can continue using your certification in yout title.
Sun will not track individuals' certification dates in order to stop candidates from using their titles, wearing pins, etc. The recertification program is not punitive in nature - the true nature of the program is to offer existing certification holders simple, cost effective ways to stay current with a certification.

And as mentioned before, I wonder if Sun can find an easy way to design the recertification path for the developer exam.


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Saumendra Poddar
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But what is the point using certification in your title after 2 yrs, when your developer certificate shows "date of expiry".
Its something like, "u are certified, but your certificate has expired." Doesn't this sound funny??
Valentin Crettaz
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Just to clear things up. I passed the SCJD 1.4 beta exam in December and I just received the certification pack today. It is actually mentioned on the certification itself and on the small "Sun Certified Professional" card that comes with it that my certification will be good until December 2004. In clear, my knowledge will expire in 2004 I guess there is no antidote against that disease
I must admit that I have no idea of how Sun is going to "recertify" people with expired certifications, that is, bring people their knowledge back


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Aruna Raghavan
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I got certified for SCJP before they came up with this rule. So, I guess mine will stay current forever he he he.
Hugo van Elk
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I too received my SCJD certificate, today. I find it quite shocking that is expires within two years. Within five years or something, I could live with. But I planed to do the web component exam and the architect exam too. And if they all expire after two years, I will take some effort to keep the four java certificates valid. I am not sure whether I find it worth the effort.
/Hugo.
Saumendra Poddar
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Here is a email reply that I got from one of Sun's staff "Helen Keegan(Helen.Keegan@Sun.COM)", against this issue.

Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for contacting Sun Certification and inquiring about our
Recertification Program. Due to the rapid advancements in technology and
acceleration of product life cycles, Sun has implemented a Recertification
policy. It applies to all Sun certification exams. The objectives of
Recertification are listed below:
1. Provide a clear methodology for IT professionals to stay current with Sun
certification exam offerings related to their chosen IT specialties.
2. Maintain the integrity and value of Sun's certifications by keeping the exams
current with the associated technology and by focusing job roles on current
industry practices.
3. Maintain communications with Sun Certified professionals to help ensure our
customers' needs are addressed in certification program revisions.
4. Provide additional opportunities for professional growth.
Sun will not be making an exceptions to the Recertification process. Do
understand that this policy was implemented with the IT Professional and
employer in mind, and all IT Professionals are expected to adhere to the policy.
Best Regards,
Sun Certification
HS Thomas
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Does that mean that if I take the SCJD Certification today and pass(having passed SCJP 1.2), it's valid for 2 years from now.
Whereas , if I took the SCJD 1.4 now ,it's also valid for 2 years from now.

Is there any differentiation between the two?
Hardly seems fair, as I'm sure practically everyone is now using jdk1.4 and I haven't come across anything specific to SCJD 1.4 on this forum. Nothing that I can tell from, that is.
Jakub Sipowicz
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What if you started the certification before Sep 2002? I paid for the assignment expecting that I will be able to have a non-expiring certificate. And now they are changing rules during the game. Is this fair?
Hugo van Elk
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Your right, I do not think it is fair. At leat, at the time of purchase, they should have announced it. Maybe we should complain?
BTW, does anyone know whether certificates of other companies expire? For instance Sybase or IBM certificates?
/Hugo
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Saumendra Poddar
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no.. this rule is only invented by SUN. SUN wants to prove that they provide the best certification in the IT industry by expiring our certification in 2 yrs.
As far as I know Microsoft & IBM retires their certification for a certain product, after the product is somewhat obsolete in the market. But they don't force u to recertify for the latest product, they just leave it to your wish.
But according to Sun, they force u to recertify every 2 years, cause the certification that u hold has an expiry date, and it carries no value at all after it is expired.
So if u currently earn a Sun certification, and u don't want to recertify on the same area, what u can do is mention that u are an ex-SCJD (which gives yourself more value actually. )
[ January 08, 2003: Message edited by: Saumendra Poddar ]
boyet silverio
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<quote>
So if u currently earn a Sun certification, and u don't want to recertify on the same area, what u can do is mention that u are an ex-SCJD (which gives yourself more value actually. )
</quote>

or if you were certified before this rule was laid down, you can say u are "pre-expiry" SCJP or SCJD...

but on a more serious note, this Sun action ain't sunny. it's gonna be stormy.
if i remember right, microsoft had similar plans on expiring certificates but they later backed down because of so many complaints. i think microsoft relented by announcing something like "... letting the market decide..." on certs.
[ January 08, 2003: Message edited by: boyet silverio ]
Valentin Crettaz
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Sun's recertification policy
Sun's recertification policy 2
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