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G Vanin's questions and proposals on JR's Book Reviews

Guennadiy VANIN
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I tried to open new thread in Book Reviews forum but got:


You do not have permission to enter this area.


Is it a policy of Javaranch?
Really I wanted to ask:
DO you accept reviews on books in foreign languages?
Guennadiy VANIN
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I found book reviews of a little use and subjective.
I prpose to discuss a template and obligatory parts that even may help to compact many books in one table.

For ex., I find most reviews pretty useless without knowing whether the book contains:
questions, answers, exercises
self-sufficient codes. It may seem that OOAD and other topics do not need it but I have different opinion
is the book succinct? Or reiterates excessively one or two the same ideas on 800 pages
is it indispensable or free substitutes are easily available in abundance on Internet
the level. What are prerequisites for understanding?
Sample chapters. For ex., JR’s reviews on .NET books do not have a single link but I know that there are plenty of them!
Does CD has everything for installing SW needed to run code examples
Does this book offer a cheaper electronic edition?
Is it a unique book on the subject and therefore indispensable? I am SCPJP2 but I am still wondered by abundance of the books on it. I have never had a single one in my hands!
Errors
Simplicity. Language, will the foreigner need a 20 kg dictionary at hand
Does book, Publisher have companion website, errata, update, code?

I shall give examples and contraexamples later.
Because it rather means starting reviewing books and cross-referencing them with existing reviews
So, I want to know whether this topic is worth my time at all, first
Thomas Paul
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Book reviews are supposed to be subjective. The reviewer is supposed to express their own feelings about the material.
Some of the things you are asking for you can get from the publishers web site.
As for the other things, how is the reviewer supposed to know if there is a cheaper electronic version? Or whether there are sample chapters available?
[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Thomas Paul ]

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The way to submit a book review is to fill out this form.

In the book review forum, you may comment on an existing thread (book review), but only those who are part of the "Book Review Team" may start a thread (post a new book review). The forum is for discussion of the books that have already been reviewed.

When a person submits a book review, it is limited to 250 words or less. This limits the amount of information that may be included.

It is good to know what people are looking for when they read the reviews. Some of this information may be included in future reviews.

Also, the information may be requested or noted by someone other than the original reviewer in the book review forum after the book has been reviewed.


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Cindy Glass
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Guennadii,
Feel free to add all of the above information in a reply to any of the reviews in the Book Review Forum. After a while you will notice that this takes up alot of your personal time, to do the research etc.
I agree that some of what you mention would be good stuff to know, but there is a limit to what we can expect a person to do as a volunteer. What you suggest would require making a project out of each review .
However JavaRanch is run by folks willing to pitch in and do volunteer work that they have an interest in - and since YOU seem to have an interest in this . . . .
Of course MOST of what you are suggesting can be discovered by just clicking that little link to the Amazon site . . . so we mostly just limit ourselves on THIS site to posting an opinion. For the most part that includes who the intended audience is (what background in required).


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Guennadiy VANIN
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Everybody,
Sorry, I was distracted by link to dictionaries to languages. They were too many. And I did not understand immediately that I should not read all them at once.
Thmacks to Marilyn:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/131365/gc/downloadable-dictionary

?How about my question on reviewing books in foreign languages?

[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: G Vanin ]
Guennadiy VANIN
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Cindy,
thank you for your support. If person is not willing to invest his time, then what it is about: wasting the time of the others and discrediting the locale?
Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Of course MOST of what you are suggesting can be discovered by just clicking that little link to the Amazon site . . .

No. Amazon.com does not facilitate. In the recent JR's giveaway (Professional SCWCD Certification
by Daniel Jepp, Sam Dalton) the sample chapter was available thru Wrox but not thru amazon.com. Even if amazon.com provides something, it is quite useless, illegible, difficult to use (page by page basis, with necessary zooming, illegible, eventually), etc.
And certainly amazon.com does not inform about existing electronic versions.
Let me say that amazon.com is the last place I am visiting when I am looking for a book.
In the thread on recent book giveaway in SCWD (17-19 Dec.). .A week (or two) before it, a few members asked a book for reviewing and the answer by the author (Daniel) was that Javaranch already attributed this task to specially chosen ones. So, the chosen ones receive books for reviewing and even do not bother
"in making a project out of each review"?

Even if that reply was just for diverting the requests, why JR cannot spare some copies to those willing to exchange a book for "making a project out of each review"?
Guennadiy VANIN
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Thomas Paul,
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
As for the other things, how is the reviewer supposed to know if there is a cheaper electronic version? Or whether there are sample chapters available?

Ask the author on giveaway discussion. Usually they answer all questions. You may contact the author with your questions directly (out of Javaranch forum), the authors usually give their Email in a book. If not, mention this fact in your review. The fact that the author are not willing to respond to his readers is also the fact worthy to be inserted in review.
"...whether there are sample chapters available?" If you ask about .NET books then go to MS Press site. There, at least, 2 dozens sample chapters including for the books that you have reviewed.
Are you serious or provoking me?
[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: G Vanin ]
Guennadiy VANIN
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On a recent book's giveaway:
2 weeks before giveaway, the author answering proposals of reviewing a book, tells
Originally posted by Dan Jepp in
http://www.coderanch.com/t/166229/java-Web-Component-SCWCD/certification/Professional-SCWCD-Sample-Chapter-Available
Thanksfor all your kind offers to review my 'Professional SCWCD' but as JavaRanch will be hosting a week long promotion in 2 weeks time, certain JavaRanch appointed reviers are assigned to evaluate the book on your behalf.

Sounds, like the reason that reviewing is closed for mortals, is that reviews recieve books from authors. And after that you are kicking me off telling about projects, efforts.
Even if it si not so, why not to give books to members willing to make efforts?
 
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