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I failed :( These are my mistakes )

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Joined: Nov 22, 2008
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1: I did not stick with one book , I read a chapter here and
there from 3 certification books.
2: I did not type in much code from the certification books.

3. I need to read 1 of my certification books 3x or more
and make it my bible!
4. I only did 2 practice tests 3x each Roberts / Heller and
Mughal and passed both with a 73 and 75 the 3rd time.
5. I must get 90's on all tests including
all 3 of marcus's tests which I have never done!
6. Well I did get a 100% on java.util ! So I know
I can pass in the future.
What I did do right...
On Mughal's and Hellers mock tests at least 5-8 questions
were similar.
I did write out 150 practice questions which makes me
more comfortable with java.
Memorization is very important for the test !
What good are concepts if you do not remember them!
Understanding raw code that looks strange but may be right
is very important for the exam.
I got a test which was very different then the 2 mocks
that I did.
My test had no I/O on it! ?
It had at least 5-8 on Overriding and Overloading and the
code that was part of the question was 15-25 lines long
and much harder then mughal or Roberts.
I had 2 GridBagConstraints questions. One was on if the
settings are correct.
Another was on Polygons and was hard!
Another questions was on constructor declarations and
polymorphism with constructors and putting references
within the constructor! Very hard!
Tons of questions on strings and stringbuffers! At least 5!
Only 1 question was on >> and >>>
And 2 on multidimesional arrays!
int []x[] = new array [60][60];
int []y [] = new array [45,45];
is the code above legal?
Something similar was on the test
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I also got a question on sockets ( Not on Sun's objectives )
It had to do with dataoutputstream, dataInputstream, etc...
I do now remember that I did get one question on I/O
It was on Filterinputstream.
Karthik Subramanian

Joined: Aug 23, 2000
Posts: 27

Hello Cyberoptic,
I read your review and just wanted to say,
that don't be dissapointed or disheartened.Gear up
for your next attempt.
Wish you all the best!!
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Don't loose heart ! Don't give up !
There's light at the end of the tunnel - so keep trying hard!
All the best on u r attempt.
- sampaths77
Stephanie Grasson
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It sounds like you learned alot from your testing experience. It was very good of you to post this info so everyone here can benefit and learn from it. Plus, now you have an advantage ... you've taken the exam once and know what to expect, so I am sure you will do much better on your next attempt. Don't give up!
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I am going all out! And will pass no matter what!
Also on the test there were a few questions (2-3) that need
to be reread because they were vague.
I also have a feeling that their is 2-5 different versions of the test and the questions do not come from a pool. Example, say
59 questions out of a pool of 500 questions , I do not think that
it is done that way. It is very likely that sun rotates tests
on there website that are downloaded or their is test a, b, c and
all testing centers have to download them in an order per tester.
PS: At least 30% to 40% of the test had code to look at
and understand.
Any thoughts? on the exam versions? a,b,c?
pete hesse
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Joined: Aug 29, 2000
Posts: 44
Sorry to hear you didn't pass, but I'm grateful you shared your experience with us. I've only been on this bulletin board a few days but yours is the first failure announcement I've seen, compared with about 10 success announcements. Your valuable observations have helped me focus my efforts properly.
Thanks, and good luck on your next attempt. I'm sure you'll pass!
Mapraputa Is
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��but yours is the first failure announcement I've seen, compared with about 10 success announcements�
Right, I suspect people who failed just NEVER report about it� Although I read somewhere that actually more people fail the exam than pass it. Does anybody know statistics? Cyberoptic, thanks for being so brave to tell about your experience. It helps others to feel they are not the only dummies in this wonderful world of �pass with 98%��

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bob mccann

Joined: Aug 31, 2000
Posts: 1
Damn tough test, failing is not at all a disgrace. Regarding the questions, one of the folks in charge of the Sun Certification process told me that each test is made up of questions chosen from a pool of questions, by objective, randomly. Each objective is covered but the questions are not spread evenly by objective. Meaning there could be more questions on declarations and access control than language fundamentals. So if you are weak in declarations and access control, you would be hurting.
I agree with previous posts, I'm happy for those that pass, but how many of them have taken it more than once, and didn't post regarding failure.
Sun also will be coming out with a new test in October 2000. The only thing Sun folks would say is, on questions that have more than one correct answer, the test will indicate how many answers must be chosen as correct.
Good luck, don't lose heart....., cause they might want to cut it out and you want to avoid a lengthy search!
Ajith Kallambella

Joined: Mar 17, 2000
Posts: 5782
Yes, good luck, don't lose heart. Perseverance pays off after all. Make sure you know all of your weak areas thoroughly well. If something is not clear, try to write small programs, refer books, ask people here at Java Ranch!.
SCJP is certainly one of the toughest certification exams out there. It is not easy and failure is not uncommon. You are not alone.
Just take the test, don't let the test take you
Good luck, and let us know if we can be of any more help

Open Group Certified Distinguished IT Architect. Open Group Certified Master IT Architect. Sun Certified Architect (SCEA).
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I think u dont need advice on how to prepare.u yourself
have now planned for the future preparation very well.I am sure
u will pass the next time with flying scores.All the Best.

Joined: Aug 25, 2000
Posts: 11
Hello CyberOptic,
I appreciate your frankness and sharing your mistakes with all of us.
As you have planned well for the future, you will come out with flying colors this time.
All the best.
Rowan Brownlee
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yes, it's a shockin' relentless incremental grinding process alrighty - no doubt about that - no argument from me on that on :-)
I'm sure loads of people don't get through on the first attempt. It sounds trite but if you blow the exam and learn along the way it's bound to help next time - at least that's what I reckon.
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From what I heard, about +40% fail the MCSE tests.
Also someone was in one of my computer classes had MCSE and
Java programmer certification and he told me that
the Java programmer test was far more difficult
then the mcse track! and he failed the first time he
took the java prog. test!
Looking at the architech tests ( 3 ) it looks more harder then
the java programmer test. Which in the long run is better
because it gives the test value.
PS: Does anyone know if the Java Architech/Enterprise test's
programming project on Enterprise Java Beans? Sun's site
is vague. I am thinking it will be on a small n-tier project
that covers ejb's and xml?
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What bothers me a little , is that most of the code on the test
was very strange looking. Some of it of course was legal code
and some not, but the alot of the code on the test was done
in a strange way on purpose ( One cannot find in any java book
so much convolted but legal code ).
So as a warning, play around and change lots of code when
studing for the test!
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Joined: Jul 28, 2000
Posts: 1850
Here's a rule that i follow:

1. Remember the Rules
2. Try to make an assessment as to why this question was written

for example given
Runnable interface has a single method which is
public void Run()
public void run()
given these two choices one must remember "java is case sensitive" if you forget this then you may go wrong.
for the second case you have to think from the examner's point of view for example does he want to test for overloading or overriding or something else.

Rahul P. Mahindrakar
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