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Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Dear All,
A very SAD Hey!!
I was literaly in tears today when a recruitement agency in new delhi, told me that java is gone now, it's dead. He says i should switch to some other technology if i need to be in the market. he says the in things are microsoft's VB.Net and XML.
I am very very upset!!

can somebody please tell me what should I do?
Tualha Khan

SCJP2, BEA WLS 6.0, DB2 UDB 7.1
bill bozeman
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Joined: Jun 30, 2000
Posts: 1070
IGNORE THEM!!! They sound like they are backed by Microsoft
Applets are not as popular anymore, but server side Java is becoming even more common place. There are a lot more sites where I notice Servlets and JSP being used than before. Don't worry, Java is not a language that is going to go away.
Tom Pridham
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Joined: Feb 06, 2001
Posts: 92
Not true, here's some proof:
Go to http://www.netcraft.com and click on the Web Server Survey link in the upper-left corner of the screen.
Look at Weblogic, iPlanet, Apache and where they are on the list. Weblogic is gaining market share each month. Guess what Weblogic is? It's a J2EE application server. Guess what iPlanet is? It's a J2EE application server.
Java is not dead.
Cindy Glass
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Joined: Sep 29, 2000
Posts: 8521
I do have to say that alot of companies are getting pickier about what comes packaged WITH their java programmer. They are looking for folks with java AND c++, or java AND mainframe, or java AND Oracle, or (and I hate to say this) java AND Microsoft Office expertise etc. Java is so prevailant that it is used in combination with a zillion other things and those things need to be managed and maintained also.
So if you JUST know java you are going to be hard put to compete with those that have a broader IT background.

"JavaRanch, where the deer and the Certified play" - David O'Meara
bill bozeman
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Posts: 1070
Cindy, on that one I agree with you. I am a web developer so I need to know HTML, DHTML, Javascript, XML, SQL and database design as well as Java. Couldn't do as much with Servlets if I didn't have the rest.
Tom Pridham
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Joined: Feb 06, 2001
Posts: 92
Bill / Cindy,
I agree. I have been a java programmer for 4 years. The reason I am successful at it is because I also know:
--MS SQL Server
--Active Server Pages (yuck!!)
--VBscript (double yuck!!!)
--Tomcat / Apache
--Database Design
--System Design
--Software Quality Assurance
--Configuration Management / Production Support
Just Java knowledge is not enough, especially when the US slides into a recession. If you have only one skill, you may the first out the door.
Johannes de Jong

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
or java AND mainframe

Thanks you, and the book I won, made my day
Kevin Yip
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Joined: Oct 17, 2000
Posts: 110
.NET will die before it become popular.
Don't you believe me? Probably not, right? Who am I have the authority to say this? I like joking...
Sahir Shah
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Joined: Nov 05, 2000
Posts: 158

Even if Java dies (a lot of it depends on how Sun will extend and improve the product in the coming months) your java certification will still carry weight as proof of expertise in an object oriented language. It is a good idea to have something to go along with your java certification. XML certification is a definite advantage.
Check out this link

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Dave Kay

Joined: Feb 20, 2001
Posts: 10
Hey Tualha Khan,

Java is dead ??? C'mon ! Just go on Dice.com and type "Java" in the job search engine. Just for your information, there are more than 24000 jobs offers in Java. Talking about dead technology !
Just because there's a lack of jobs in Java in your part of the world, you don't have to be that alarmist !!!
"All your base are belong to us"

Dave K<P>"All your base are belong to us"
Tom Hennigan
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Joined: Feb 25, 2001
Posts: 71
Diversify across recruiters. Visit ComputerJobs.com (one of my favorites). Do you know of other good job-hunt sites?

Tom Hennigan<P>Sun Certified Java 2 Platform Programmer
Tom Pridham
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Joined: Feb 06, 2001
Posts: 92
For a ton of Java job listings:
http://www.kforce.com http://www.computerjobs.com http://www.monster.com http://www.hotjobs.com http://www.dice.com http://www.brainbuzz.com http://www.flipdog.com http://www.justjavajobs.com http://www.javajobs.com http://www.headhunter.net
Good Luck!!
Val Dra
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Joined: Jan 26, 2001
Posts: 439
Dave , if Dice gives lots of results it doesnt mean that , it's that many jobs are avialable. It means that the recruites just want to fill their databases with your resume so they can use it for later use. The actuall job market is slow now.

Val SCJP <BR>going for SCJD
Marcus Green
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Joined: Sep 14, 1999
Posts: 2813
Let's think this one through, the suggestion is that the recruiters want to collect resumes containing skills that are not in demand. Wouldn't it make more sense to collect resumes for skills that are in demand?

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Chiran Mathur
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Joined: Feb 07, 2001
Posts: 63
No actually Val is right, market is def slow right now. Even in the advertised jobs many positions are on hold because of budget freeze etc.
erich brant
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Joined: Sep 27, 2000
Posts: 246
Server sided java for e-commerce is the most popular solution
for fortune 1000 corps!According to forester research and idg!
Overall the most popular languages
for server side scripting is php and perl with about 1 million
+ websites each that use those languages.
After I feel comfortable with java and jsp and servlets I am going to learn perl or php.

Ravi Ada

Joined: Feb 27, 2001
Posts: 5
Certainly not according to the outcome of Gartner Group's research.
Jaya Reddy

Joined: Jan 24, 2001
Posts: 4
Hi there,
I stay in Silicon Valley,CA.I see that market is little slow but it shall never die.Some people in India make wild assumtions and create panic which is not good.Dont worry,Java shall never die.
For that to happen there should be a sweeping technology to comein and there is nothing in near future.
Tony Alicea

Joined: Jan 30, 2000
Posts: 3226
This thread does not belong in this forum. I am moving it to the jobs discussion forum.

Tony Alicea
Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
I agree. Here's the link: http://aspose.com/file-tools
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