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Warning - about asking for or posting "real" questions.

Angela Poynton
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It has come to our attention that despite numerous requests for posters to not ask for "real" SCJP exam questions, some people still are doing this, or posting actual questions that they had in the exam.
We don't want to get into trouble with Sun, who can legally sue Javaranch if they believe we are encouraging people to break the contract they agreed to when they took the exam. That is, when you take the exam you agree to not tell anyone what questions you had.
Since people are still not taking notice of this we are warning you all now that anyone who asks for "real" exam questions or posts "real" questions on this site will be reported to Sun's legal dept. They may decide to take legal action against you .
So consider yourselves warned.

[This message has been edited by Angela Poynton (edited January 15, 2001).]

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Ajith Kallambella

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Notwithstanding the legal mess one could land into, soliciting, advertising or passing around real questions is immoral and unethical. The objective here is not just to get certified, but also to learn the language so that you can achieve your career goals - getting a new job, a promotion or a pay hike whatever it may be.
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Randall Twede
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Great quote Ajith.

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Angela Poynton
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I'm bringing this subject to all of your attention again. Today I sent details of three people who directly asked for Exam Questions to Sun's Legal Dept. I don't want to have to keep doing this, I know it is only a very small minority of people but it's important that we show Sun that we do not endorse this. This is for the sake of Javaranch as much as for the sake of others taking the SCJP exam. So again I'll say this, if you value Javaranch please do not ask for or offer real exam questions to anyone.
Peter Tran

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I was just curious, but do you you give any warnings to these people privately (i.e. via email)?
Harpal Singh
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Hi Angela,
I agree with you,and also support you...We all should have some ethics and respect the hard work people do to clear SCJP.

Angela Poynton
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No we've decided not to warn people individually that they have been reported. They are breaking the law and have been warned here at the site. If they chose to continue then that's their loss.
We're not reporting people who ask questions such as "Was there anything on IO?" or how many "fill in the blanks" did you get?" but anything which relates to more specific queries will be and have been reported.
We have to do this or Sun could get mad at us and shut us down by accusing us of encouraging people to break the law!
Like I said before though, it is only a few people .. usually people who havn't been around here very long. Thankfully most people here seem to understand and accept the legal and moral standpoint!
Ajith Kallambella

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I would like to draw people's attention to this post again. We have noticed a few attempts by our visitors soliciting for real questions.
Ravindra Mohan
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Hi Ajith/ Anjella,
I have sent a mail to both of you. Please have look at it is
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Originally posted by ersin eser:
And what about people who put their email addresses & ask for " send me an email for more detailed info �?
I am very concerned about the future of the Javaranch .You guys are asking for trouble! I wouldn't even edit the post; just delete it.
We shouldn't be selfish and unfaithful: Just come here when you need help then when you are done f the rest.
For the people who shamelessly asks for questions: JAVA is for people with principles, [b]stop freaking cheating!

Anyone who posts asking "send me more information about your test to my email address" is probably soliciting for real answers and we'll delete them. Anyone who posts questions that look like they might be real, we'll delete them.
JavaRanch will be safe as long as we don't allow cheating. And with the help of the many people who support JavaRanch, we will be able to identify those cheaters and delete their posts and report them to Sun.
Here's the point I don't understnad... you work hard to pass the test and then you cheapen the value of your hard work by helping others pass the test without studying! If anyone can pass the test without working at it then having a certification will be worthless.

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