Currently, all of JavaRanch is running on five servers all on one super-box. As many of you have pointed out to us, that one box is getting a little on the swamped side. Further, we want to expand into all sorts of new things, inluding some new forum software. Our host (EJIP) tells us that the best quick fix is to add some more memory. 2 gigs of memory at $400 per stick is $800. They recommend that we also pop a second CPU into the box for $300. So that's $1100 to fix our current problems. It's well past time to set up shop on a second box. If nothing else, in case the mother board on one box blows out, there will be a second box we can run on for a while. Also, with the move to the new forum stuff, there will be a short time when we have two boxes running both forum packages. We need to measure how resource hungry the new stuff is going to be. Here's the info from Paul Little of EJIP about a new server: > Here's a new server hardware budget to start with, based on parts to be > assembled by Ejip.Net. > > 4 GB RAM = $1600 > 3 ide disk drives = $300 - $500 > 2 2.xGHz CPUs, motherboard = $800 - $1200 > 1U Case, power = $100 - $200 > > Total = $2800 - $3500 > > Options: > Hardware raid instead of software raid: + ~$400 > SCSI disks instead of IDE disks: + ~$300 > High-end XEON 3.0 GHz CPUS: + ~$500 > > For $5000 you can have a really fast, reliable server. If you want to > purchase this from Dell it will cost $11,000. > I'm thinking we should start at the $2800 option and grow from there if we need to. So! The first order of business is to pull together $1100 to upgrade the system we have now. Please pop on by to our donations page to chip in a buck or two! Thanks! [ July 30, 2003: Message edited by: Paul Wheaton ]
Maybe this is a good time to talk about what we are trying to fix. The UBB stuff has a "regulator" in it. We've discovered that once in a while when the system gets super busy, it crashes. Paul Little of EJIP found a way to measure "busy". Apparently, the system runs at around "2" most of the time. But once in a while it rockets up to 20 and crashes. Paul tinkered a bit when we got the last memory upgrade (which fixed everything, for a while) and found that if he does a 503 every time we hit 11, the system will keep running and return to normal operation in a minute or two. At 12 it crashes. So we have the 503 regulator currently set at 11. About six months ago (maybe it was longer) we seemed to be getting these 503 messages several times a day and the server was still crashing regularly. We then had just 500k of memory. With the upgrade to 2 gigs of memory, we instantly went to no crashes and no 503's. And then JavaRanch grew and grew and now we're starting to see some 503's again. This time we should try to add some hardware before the system starts to crash.
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton: Here's the info from Paul Little of EJIP about a new server: > 4 GB RAM = $1600 > 3 ide disk drives = $300 - $500 > 2 2.xGHz CPUs, motherboard = $800 - $1200 > 1U Case, power = $100 - $200 > > Total = $2800 - $3500
Paul, I'm going to throw in my two cents here because that's really all I have. I can't afford money because I literally just an hour ago went out and bought a replacement server for my network. Here's what I got: 3.0GHz HT CPU (that's the two CPUs in one deal) 1GB DDR 400 RAM 80GB of mirrored 7200 RPM high speed disk (160GB total) 1GB Ethernet 370w power supply DVD-R drive $1700 The RAM is $240/GB. The disk is superfast ATA, and $160/80GB drive. Mirroring (RAID I) is built into the motherboard. And the price includes $180 for Windows 2000 Professional. Oh, and the case has see-through windows and at least three fans . Just some comparison figures. Joe
Thanks for the info, Joe. I would like to mention that Ejip.Net needs rack-mountable servers, preferably a 1U server. We also recommend error-correcting RAM (ECC). We also purchase Kingston RAM which tends to be the most expensive (and higher quality we feel). This adds significantly to the cost. The on-board raid-1 that you mention may be the Promise FastTrack 100 controller. I've not been able to get it to work with Linux. I'm also told it does SCSI emulation on top of IDE, which turns out to be much slower than software raid. The Windows server 2003 drivers have not been released yet, either.
Paul Little, good to see you here! We're sticking to Linux on all of our servers, right?
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Folks, I'm not here to start any trouble. I didn't know that this was a package deal. I have no idea how Paul generates his prices, I'm just mentioning mine. I've seen the Kingston PC3200 512MB chips with ECC for $115 online, so the $1600 just seemed high to me. If the RAID controller doesn't work with your system, then my prices don't matter. It's too bad that Linux forces you to more expensive hardware; I'd always thought that Linux was a cheaper solution. And as to the speed of the RAID, I'll only be able to tell you after it's installed. I'll eventually be moving to more drives, so the onboard is only an interim solution anyway. But I'll let you know how it works out. Joe
We're now at $343.10! How would you guys feel about donations leading to having a javaranch e-mail address? Maybe I should ask: would having firstname.lastname@example.org forwarded to your regular e-mail be something that you're interested in?
If you have a PayPal account with a few cents in it and you want to slide ten cents over to JavaRanch, you can use the account "email@example.com". The regular account "firstname.lastname@example.org" accepts credit cards which means that all transactions get docked a bit (I think it's something like 30 cents plus 1.5%). I had to take the pennies stuff off of the donations page because People kept trying to use their credit card on pennies. PayPal says it's fine and then I get this big e-mail saying "Upgrade your paypal to a premium account so we can take a percentage!" and then I have to decline the funds and send an e-mail to the person trying to explain why they have to re-donate. So for credit cards and that sort of thing, use email@example.com. If you have a positive balance in your PayPal account, feel free to use firstname.lastname@example.org. I'm still a bit of a greenhorn about using PayPal - is there a standard way to say all of this I just said?
Hi Paul You may have to wait a few days for those who dont yet have PayPal accounts to be able to donate. I have to wait 2 or 3 days for them to verify my credit card And now I have to choose a different signature, as yours is just too similar Regards, Andrew
Your sig is soooo cool. And your member number isn't bad either! Verify credit card? What? I thought the whole thing would be done in under five minutes. But you're saying that PayPal is trying to make you set up a PayPal account? Does anybody else know if this is normal? On the bright side: Most the money stuff on the interenet is done though PayPal. Once you have it all set up, life is easier.
Marilyn de Queiroz
Joined: Jul 22, 2000
That's what happened to me also. PayPal wanted me to set up an account before I could send any money.
We're now up to $766.42 I changed my sig to avoid confusion
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
When I set up my PayPal account I had to wait about 3 days for them to take two amounts out of my account, these showed up on the staement(which I also had to wait for) with a number which I had to enter into my account to be allowed to send money. Maybe it depends on your country?
author and jackaroo
Amy is probably right that it is a country issue. I am in Australia, and like Amy, I have to wait for them to charge my American Express card with some small amount ($2 I think) so that I can see a verification number on my bill, which I can use to activate my account. (Still not appearing on my electronic statment after 36 hour - may have to wait the 3 days ) They tell me that the amount they charge will then become available to me to give to anyone I want - it is not used by PayPal except for verification purposes. Regards, Andrew (I also changed my sig ) [ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Andrew Monkhouse ]