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paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
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In the last couple of weeks I had learned that a possible income source for JavaRanch would be for some geek company like, say, Sun would want to send an e-mail to all of our users through us. So Sun gives us a bale of money and an e-mail and we send the e-mail to our users. Let's say this is about JavaOne: "Wanna go to JavaOne? It's coming up in march. Buy your ticket by the end of the year and save $500." Obviously a commercial message. But it is about java stuff. And JavaRanch gets cash money.
So I thought: well, I need to set something up so that people that don't want this sort of thing can say "don't send me that sort of thing." I thought I would even go so far as to make it so that when folks registered, there would be a checkbox there. I thought the checkbox would be checked by default.
I brought this up to sheriffs and bartenders. And not all of us agree. Several people think that the checkbox should be unchecked by default. A lot of these folks also think that nobody should get this kind of e-mail unless they have specifically checked the box.
My thinking is that, yeah, when I go to use my on-line banking and there is that box and it is already checked, that annoys me (not much, because I expect it of those guys). I know that they want to send me all sorts of spam type stuff that I don't care about. But this is a Java site. If there is some new thing being offered by a java company, I would think the default would be yes! Send it to me! And by one person having that box checked, it might generate two dollars (I'm guessing here) for JavaRanch.
The other element that comes to mind is apathy. I think if we put everybody in by default, only a few people would uncheck the box. And if we had everybody off the list by default, only a few people check the box. If only a few people check the box, then no big company will even bother with us.
So what is your opinion? Should the box be checked or unchecked by default?


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Pradeep bhatt
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Check it~!


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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Paul,
You didn't emphasize the promise that Big Company X will give JavaRanch the email, and JavaRanch will send it, if it's topical. JavaRanch won't sell the addresses, or even let anyone peek at them. That's the important part.
Given that, I'd say checked by default is fine!


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paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
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Maybe I should work on what the checkbox says:
How about: permit JavaRanch to forward e-mails to you from Java related companies that give us an obscene amount of money.
Rufus BugleWeed
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Joined: Feb 22, 2002
Posts: 1551
I use this service provided by www.pobox.com. It's an email forwarding service. They allow a subscriber multiple addresses for forwarding. I mostly only publish one of my forwarding adresses in my profile at the JR.
Spammers are sucking it out of my profile and sending me junk anyway. So check the box. I don't have any heartburn unchecking junk mail boxes. I don't have much of a problem with deleting junk mail, unless it takes a long time to download.
I hope any revenue the emails generate is going to benefit java ranchers.
Anupam Sinha
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Joined: Apr 13, 2003
Posts: 1088
I prefer leaving it unchecked. I would strongly suggest that you include a unsubscribe me link in the bottom(I guess now that is a legal requirement as well). Send in an email to all existing members that we are starting off with this and you are now subscribed in case you wanna unsubscribe come over to this url and do this. For new subscriber send them a welcome mail, and mention that they may recieve a few(or maybe more) emails from us and if they object they can goto this url and change it. Also for all those who have unsubscribed, have an option that allows them to subscribe agian.
R K Singh
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Joined: Oct 15, 2001
Posts: 5371
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Maybe I should work on what the checkbox says:
How about: permit JavaRanch to forward e-mails to you from Java related companies that give us an obscene amount of money.

Or permit Javaranch to inform you Java related news,you can unsubcribe when you feel so.
And yes by default..
I dont mind getting mails for an event in US, if it generates money for JR


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Ashik Uzzaman
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Joined: Jul 05, 2001
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The other element that comes to mind is apathy. I think if we put everybody in by default, only a few people would uncheck the box. And if we had everybody off the list by default, only a few people check the box. If only a few people check the box, then no big company will even bother with us.

Paul, considering your above statement, I vote for yes that means keep checked by default.


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Donald R. Cossitt
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003
Posts: 401
It might be a welcome relief to the hundred or so unsolicited emails I get per week concerning porn, viagra, grow a few extra inches and get rich quick!
So...a few xtra among so many might not be bad if it helped the ranch pay the bills. Go for it!


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paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20730
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Well, it seems that this is a somewhat close call, but the "checked" crowd seems slightly larger than the "unchecked" crowd. Which is basically the way my gut feels on this and the way I'm thinking of proceeding on this.
If you think that there is some point that I'm just not getting, please speak up and let's see if I can get a better grip. But I think I understand the point of "unchecked".
Because this is not a clear choice, it would seem to me that in proceeding with this, the best thing to do is to try and find a path that is the least offensive, while still being the "checked" path.
Do y'all have any advice on that?
 
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