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Has anyone used Exadel or Studio Creator?

bob connolly
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Joined: Mar 10, 2004
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Hello,

Has anyone used Studio Creator or Exadel and which one do you think is production ready?

Or if you know of a tool that can help create a JSF system to add update and delete records from a table, buy it type or free ect!

Thanks for your input!
Jonathan Cone
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Joined: May 22, 2005
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I use Creator 2 (EA 2) on a daily basis for a neat little project I'm working on.

Production ready? Maybe in a couple of months, but not yet. There are a number of very popular, very frustrating bugs. If I were to start the project I'm working on over again, I would go with Exadel. I've played with it a bit and it seems a little more robust, plus they have a good support system (forums, etc). If you're deploying to Tomcat, then you need to go with Exadel just to save yourself some headache.
Alexander Jesse
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Using NitroX (from M7 and BEA) and Exadel.
For small budget: Exadel is quite useful and works
NitroX: for full funtionality a bit expensive, but more entry-level-user friendly

Both can help building applications.

Maybe a look at Matt Raible's AppFuse is worth considering. It wants to help "kickstarting" app-development.

hth
Alexander
bob connolly
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Jonathan, with Studio Creator, have you run into the situation where you need to debug a program, but because the source code is not loaded into the tool, you can't step thru the code?

I tried the various import options to load the source without any luck and that's why i'm taking a look at other tools, particularly a tool with a good debugging capability!

Thanks all for your comments!
Jonathan Cone
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Joined: May 22, 2005
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Hey Bob,

I'm not sure if you're talking about Creator 1 or Creator 2, I'm using Creator 2 (Early Access). I don't use the debugging features, but I will say this about my testing: I've had all sorts of problems getting logging to work correctly. Setting the warning levels through the IDE seems to be worthless. I'm wondering if the UI controls are present but the actions aren't linked in. Needless to say, its been frustrating.

Really, the only reason I'm using it is because I think that when it does go final its going to be a great program - and by then, I'll know how to use it well.

BTW, if you do end up using version 2, don't refactor anything, it will really mess your code up. Since it needs to synchronize the JSPs, the backing beans, managed beans, etc, its all very buggy and will turn your configuration files and JSPs into spaghetti.
Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Jonathan Cone:
Really, the only reason I'm using it is because I think that when it does go final its going to be a great program - and by then, I'll know how to use it well.

BTW, if you do end up using version 2, don't refactor anything, it will really mess your code up. Since it needs to synchronize the JSPs, the backing beans, managed beans, etc, its all very buggy and will turn your configuration files and JSPs into spaghetti.


Yea, sounds like a great program.

I've used several tools and I am still 10 more more effecient if I just do everything by hand. The tools either hide too much from me or just confuse me.


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bob connolly
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I took a look at Exadel and noticed that it doesn't appear to have a drag/
drop capability, like Studio does, and for a beginner that's an absolute must, just to get kickstarted!

As i get more familiar with how how all the pieces fit together, i think i'll be able to graduate to an Exadel type tool and do it manually!

So far, i've been going thru the Studio tutorial - Performing Inserts, Updates and Deletes and at each phase, i'll print out the generated code and see how it ties back to the various views and that's been invaluable!

But i do see how once i have these component pieces figured out,how i might be able to modify these various files and build it manually!

Thanks all for your inputs!

And just a note, the technical support from Sun has been excellent, except for the degugging part which i'm still working on!
Jonathan Cone
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Joined: May 22, 2005
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In response to Gregg:

Keep in mind Creator 2 is still in Early Access. But the impression I get from the Creator team makes me feel like they really want to deliver a great product which people will use - that's not something I feel with a lot of other software I use. So, I'm only mildly stubborn because I struggle a little bit with my day to day development. If me testing the program as a live fire exercise creates a better end product for the Java community, I'm all for it. Besides, who doesn't want to help put more holes in an annoying little .NET.
raminaa niilian
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Joined: Jul 14, 2005
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Hi
Thank you for reading my post.
It will be a very good help for me if some one answer these questions for me.
Which the above tools support for Portlet development ?
1-Does Exadel , M7 , My eclipse enterprise IDe has support for Portlet development using jsf portlet bridge ?
2-which one has better WYSIWYG for Struts , jsf and jsp pages?
3-which one has a page flow designer ?
4-which one has support for hibernate and Spring Beans ? (flow designer , automatic mapping,.. )


Which of these tools is better ?(Without thinking about thier prices)

Thank you
Alexander Jesse
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Joined: Mar 17, 2004
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1) sorry no idea
2) NitroX and Exadel have some support, NitroX is more "mousy", Exadel more "professional?"
3) NitroX and Exadel
4) not used... but both NitroX (in its most expensive incarnaation) and Exadel have some Hibernate and Spring support

Which is better? Depends on how you like your IDE... Try both and look for yourself. It depends on your personal style.

hth
Alexander
Sergey Smirnov
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4) not used... but both NitroX (in its most expensive incarnaation) and Exadel have some Hibernate and Spring support


Alexander, I diagree with you that NitroX and Exadel supports are the same. Exadel offers the tool with very unique set of features that analyzes the class and database structure makes suggestions based on this knowledge. I do not thing anybody else, including original "Hibernate Tools" will be able to reach such functionality in the nearest future.
Usually, tool provides the graphic way to represent the XML structure and number of wizards that allow to populate this structure with data. From the marketing point of view, that is enough to say "we support something". It works in most ways. However, the real hiberate mapping is not easy stuff sometimes and it is possible to create the dead configuration with the wizards that operate correctly by themself.
Alexander Jesse
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Originally posted by Sergey Smirnov:


Alexander, I diagree with you that NitroX and Exadel supports are the same. Exadel offers the tool with very unique set of features that analyzes the class and database structure makes suggestions based on this knowledge. I do not thing anybody else, including original "Hibernate Tools" will be able to reach such functionality in the nearest future.
Usually, tool provides the graphic way to represent the XML structure and number of wizards that allow to populate this structure with data. From the marketing point of view, that is enough to say "we support something". It works in most ways. However, the real hiberate mapping is not easy stuff sometimes and it is possible to create the dead configuration with the wizards that operate correctly by themself.



That's why I said "have some support" and it is true that both tools have some support. I have not used the ORM-parts so far, therefor I just mentioned that both have something.

Having used both tools, I must say there is not "a better of the two". It just depends on the personal habits and style...
 
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