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Simon Harvey
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Hi all,

I was hoping someone would be kind enough to answer the following question for me?

Which Java IDEs offer visual web page design capabilities comparable to that of Visual Studio 2005?

Also, would it be fair to say that JSF is similar to ASP.net in that it allows you to drop highlevel components (such as a datagrid) onto a web page and have the framework generate all the necessary html elements (such as tds and trs etc)? Also, does JSF offer a similar sort of serverside event model as available in ASP.net 2. By that I mean, when you click a button on a web page, you can have it fire an event on the server and you can code the event to carry out business operations?

Thanks to anyone who can advise

Kindest Regards

Simon
Abiodun Adisa
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Originally posted by Simon Harvey:
Hi all,

I was hoping someone would be kind enough to answer the following question for me?

Which Java IDEs offer visual web page design capabilities comparable to that of Visual Studio 2005?

Also, would it be fair to say that JSF is similar to ASP.net in that it allows you to drop highlevel components (such as a datagrid) onto a web page and have the framework generate all the necessary html elements (such as tds and trs etc)? Also, does JSF offer a similar sort of serverside event model as available in ASP.net 2. By that I mean, when you click a button on a web page, you can have it fire an event on the server and you can code the event to carry out business operations?

Thanks to anyone who can advise

Kindest Regards

Simon




As per web development IDe i would recommend Java Studio Creator, Best thing about this is that Unlike Visual Studio , this is free and it comes with a application Server that is also ....Free

JSF can do everything that ASP can do and much more u are not limited to one Application Server in order to deploy your application, you can deploy to any Java web servers and there are many free ones out there.

The Disadvantage of JSF is that it is not for the light hearted , One can learn ASPs in say One month but for JSF , it takes some time to be really Good evn for experienced Java Programmers

Using Java Creator you can put a button and have it fire events , you can even put web services on a form , web services like Google Services that enable you to have your own search engine on your web site
Gregg Bolinger
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Not that I am a fan of .NET but just to keep things clear and accurate...

Best thing about this is that Unlike Visual Studio , this is free

Until the next version. JSC wasn't free and now that JSC 2.0 is on the horizen they are giving away this version so that you get hooked and will want to upgrade to the latest and greatest/

and it comes with a application Server that is also ....Free

IIS is free also.

u are not limited to one Application Server in order to deploy your application, you can deploy to any Java web servers and there are many free ones out there.

Again, IIS is free and it happens to be the only server for .NET. Keep in mind that If there were more than one .NET App Server, then it would be the same as with the J2EE App Servers. Not a real compelling reason.

The Disadvantage of JSF is that it is not for the light hearted , One can learn ASPs in say One month but for JSF , it takes some time to be really Good evn for experienced Java Programmers

Blame the IDE on this one. Using Visual Studio.NET a monkey can churn out some ASP pages without ever touching a line of code. I wouldn't call that a disadvantage of JSF. JSF is by far the simplest framework to get up and running, IMHO.

Using Java Creator you can put a button and have it fire events , you can even put web services on a form , web services like Google Services that enable you to have your own search engine on your web site

And you can do all that with ASP.


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Abiodun Adisa
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Thank you for replying Mr. Sheriff, It really helped in broadening my Knowledge base but I beg to disagree with some of your points


and it comes with a application Server that is also ....Free

IIS is free also.


IIS is free with purchase of Win Operating System , I have the Home edition and I don�t have IIS but Sun Creator can be run on Linux which is 100% free




u are not limited to one Application Server in order to deploy your application, you can deploy to any Java web servers and there are many free ones out there.

Again, IIS is free and it happens to be the only server for .NET. Keep in mind that If there were more than one .NET App Server, then it would be the same as with the J2EE App Servers. Not a real compelling reason.







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Masoud Kalali
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Im not going to start a hot discussion here , but i mentioned once more that No one know that sun is gaining customer and they will sell next verion of creator for some $$ .

Best thing about this is that Unlike Visual Studio , this is free
Until the next version. JSC wasn't free and now that JSC 2.0 is on the horizen they are giving away this version so that you get hooked and will want to upgrade to the latest and greatest/


can you just tell me how you come to this idea ? so it is most like that they will offer next versions for free.
but if you have evidence that sun offer only this version for free , please let me know.


IIS is free also.


IIS is free if you pay for a windows installation :-). can you get a copy of IIS and install if on solaris /linux /... , it is the only case that you can say IIS is free ?


Again, IIS is free and it happens to be the only server for .NET. Keep in mind that If there were more than one .NET App Server, then it would be the same as with the J2EE App Servers. Not a real compelling reason.


I dont think microsoft let any competitor on its own technology. so we can think that there were some competitor and microsoft wipe them out.


Blame the IDE on this one. Using Visual Studio.NET a monkey can churn out some ASP pages without ever touching a line of code. I wouldn't call that a disadvantage of JSF. JSF is by far the simplest framework to get up and running, IMHO.


JSF is based on many experiences , so at least i think it is a very good technology to rely on for view layer.
I disagree with your argument that people learn asp.net in a month but will not learn JSF in a month.get a copy of creator and you will have your first web application without a line of hand code. (it has all databinding , navigation designer , .... )
get a copy of SJC and you will write your web application in a month.

And you can do all that with ASP

sure you can do them all in ASP , but you should pay $$$$ from development to deployement to service support.


even if Sun goes to charge people for upgrade , there are enough good IDEs out there which one can use them.

[ January 03, 2006: Message edited by: Masoud Kalali ]
[ January 03, 2006: Message edited by: Masoud Kalali ]

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Chris Payne
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According to the Sun guys on the JSC2 feedback program forums, the product will be free. All you would need to do is join the developer network in order to download it.
Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Chris Payne:
According to the Sun guys on the JSC2 feedback program forums, the product will be free. All you would need to do is join the developer network in order to download it.


I stand corrected. Good to know. Thanks Chris.
Chris Payne
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JSC2 has been released.

You can download it for free by joining SDN (also free).

http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/downloads/

Have fun!
Narendran Nair
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as far as JSF IDE is concerned i use the free version of Exadel Studio for the visual editing or JDeveloper 10g ..

JDeveloper gives u the feeling like u are editing a html page ..
JDeveloper run the tag in JSP Visual Editor...

But Exadel works on Eclipse .. it has all the features of Eclipse in it ..

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Shay Shmeltzer
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JDeveloper 10.1.3 is now production and is Free.
It offers visual JSF editing and a full set of J2EE capablitieis at the backend (so you can create EJBs and web services for example, unlike in creator).
It also offers a rich set of components (ADF Faces). And easy UI to backend binding.

See more here: http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
 
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