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Tommy Jin
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Joined: Nov 18, 2003
Posts: 4
thank you phil and andrew.
i'm sorry for the wrong posting.
Andrew Monkhouse
author and jackaroo
Marshal Commander

Joined: Mar 28, 2003
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Hi Tommy,
No problems - most people do the same as you: post their results in the forum where there are people studying.
Did you follow the link to see where your post now exists?
Regards, Andrew


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Philippe Maquet
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Joined: Jun 02, 2003
Posts: 1872
Hi Tommy,
i'm sorry for the wrong posting.

I agree with Andrew upon the fact that most people do like you did. And if they do, it's because they like it.
I am sorry to write which follows because posting results on the Sun Certification Results forum is a JR rule, so I feel a bit politically incorrect to encourage people to break that rule, but I personally don't like the Sun Certification Results forum.
I have a few reasons to dislike it :
  • It's a mix of multiple cert results, and SCJD ones are rare in comparison with other cert results where I have less interest in.
  • For that reason, I don't use that forum much, taking the risk I miss the SCJD results of someone that I know.
  • Often, when someone posts his results, it could be a start for further discussion. But I noticed that once moved to the "right" forum, most of result threads just die very soon (OK, Ken was smart enough to initiate a new thread to discuss his design, and thanks to him, but).
  • When you pass a few months on this forum like I did, you know many people by name, and you're interested in their results. For example (and from memory), I know that Vlad and Bharat recently uploaded and I am looking forward to see them passed. Well, I confess that I hope they'll break the rule above, because I'd be quite ashamed to miss them.
  • The Sun Certification Results forum itself is not handy. Recently, I tried to find out the SCBCD results of someone that I know . So I performed a search with "SCBCD" as keyword, narrowed on his JR ID. Mmh... I got a ton of threads where the guy who interested me (quite results-addict ) just posted a "Congratulations" message in a thread (SCJP or SCJD result) where someone asked "What's next ?". Each time the main poster replied "SCBCD !" (or any reply where "SCBCD" appeared), it was included in my search result. I finally found out what I was looking for, but it cost me 10 minutes !


  • Best,
    Phil.
    Bill Robertson
    Ranch Hand

    Joined: Mar 21, 2003
    Posts: 234
    phil, I could not agree with you more. Kens thread has been GREAT
    and there would be more like it if they were not moved to the results
    area. Once they are moved there people stop following thus the posts
    stop. Who better to learn from than those who passed.
    Terry Martinson
    Ranch Hand

    Joined: Oct 18, 2003
    Posts: 293
    Another person here in 100% agreement.
    Thanks to everyone - I'd be hurting without this forum.
    TJ


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    Philippe Maquet
    Bartender

    Joined: Jun 02, 2003
    Posts: 1872
    Oops ! Andrew, I am sorry about that, but it looks like a revolution !
    All best,
    Phil.
    Tommy Jin
    Greenhorn

    Joined: Nov 18, 2003
    Posts: 4
    Hi Andrew,
    Thank you all for your understanding.
    I have checked the forum follow your instruction.
    The Sun Certification Results gets reason to exist.
    Posting result in SCJD is pretty good.
    I like SCJD forum.
    Thank you all again.
    Andrew Monkhouse
    author and jackaroo
    Marshal Commander

    Joined: Mar 28, 2003
    Posts: 11481
        
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    OK mutineers , I have moved this thread to the JavaRanch forum, where you can make your feelings known to the Trailboss and others.
    I certainly understand all your arguments. But here is some counter arguments:
  • Having a separate forum means that there could (in theory) be less off topic posts in the study forums. That is, someone who wants to find out something about the subject they are studying for does not have to wade through lots of "I passed" posts.
  • Although I like the effort Ken is putting into his post describing what he did, I wouldn't want people giving up other, equally valid, designs just because someone got a good score for the design they posted.
  • Having a separate forum means that it is easier to collate statistics on how many people are passing, and what sort of scores they are getting (although I must admit that I have not seen anyone do any such analysis for quite some time)


  • You can continue this discussion here.
    Regards, Andrew
    [ November 20, 2003: Message edited by: Andrew Monkhouse ]
    Burk Hufnagel
    Ranch Hand

    Joined: Oct 01, 2001
    Posts: 814
        
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    Originally posted by Andrew Monkhouse:
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  • Having a separate forum means that there could (in theory) be less off topic posts in the study forums. That is, someone who wants to find out something about the subject they are studying for does not have to wade through lots of "I passed" posts.
  • ...I wouldn't want people giving up other, equally valid, designs just because someone got a good score for the design they posted


  • Andrew,
    Those are both good points, and I agree with them. However, as someone who's still working on the project, I have to say that I find it useful and enlightening to read about how others solved the problems I'm tackling.
    Not only that, but (at least for the FBN project I received) part of the grading involved not reinventing the wheel - "However, poor algorithm design where standard solutions are well known will be penalized."
    While I have ben programming for many years, there are certainly areas where I don't know the "standard solutions" however well known they may be to others. When someone who passed - especially with a high grade - says, "I used this method" I figure it's worth checking out.
    There's lots of back and forth on the various ways to solve the major design issues in the project and strong arguments by people who've been here a long time and give good advice, so how does a newbie (or an oldbie in a new area) decide which way to go? One way is to see how well people who used that method fared when they submitted their project.
    It's a tough call. I expect that some folks will decide not to try their own ideas once they've read how someone who scored 100% did it. But that's not reason enough to remove this valuable resource. I've gone through lots of the old "I passed" posts and learned a lot from the discussions on why someone chose a particular path, and that sort of Q&A isn't there on the posts in the Results forum.
    For me, the bottom line is that moving the "I passed" threads into a separate forum removes useful information and reduces the value of the SCJD forum itself. Please let them stay.
    Burk Hufnagel


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