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What version of Hibernate does Hibernate in Action cover?

Ko Ko Naing
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Hi Mr.Christian Bauer,
I'm curious to know whether your book covers up to the Hibernate 3 or not... Or is it not available yet, at the time when you started to write the book?

Thanks...


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Alexandru Popescu
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AFAIK it covers Hibernate 2. Hibernate 3 has its birth/release in alpha just a few days ago. But it will bring us interesting things.
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Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Ali Pope:
AFAIK it covers Hibernate 2. Hibernate 3 has its birth/release in alpha just a few days ago. But it will bring us interesting things.
Check Road Map

[ August 31, 2004: Message edited by: Ali Pope ]


I know about that road map already... That's what I provided in
Thanks this thread for Somkiat, who wanted to know about the new features in Hibernate 3...

Anyway, thanks for the link... I do appreciate your info...

Some authors usually wrote the latest version, even thoug it was in alpha or beta stage... That's why I raised this question... One prominent case is that the Tiger book in the last promotion was based on the beta 2 release of J2SE 5.0... So I'm just wondering if this "Hibernate in Action" book covers Hibernate 3 as well... or may be just an introduction to Hibernate 3....
pascal betz
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i guess it covers version 2 (since they started with the book a while ago). but once you understand the principles of hibernate and ORM, learning the hibernate 3 features should not be that hard. hibernate 2 has excelent documentation - better than many commecial products - and i hope the hibernate 3 doco is at a similar level!

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Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by pascal betz:
i guess it covers version 2 (since they started with the book a while ago). but once you understand the principles of hibernate and ORM, learning the hibernate 3 features should not be that hard. hibernate 2 has excelent documentation - better than many commecial products - and i hope the hibernate 3 doco is at a similar level!


Yes, you are right that learning a new version, while having known the previous version, won't be that hard... But I'm afraid that if the incident will look like J2SE 5.0, Tiger... Since the gap between J2SE 1.4 and J2SE 5.0 is so big that even experience developers might need time to learn the new features available in Tiger...

If Hibernate 3 is not that different from Hibernate 2, we won't need to be that worry about it... But if no one is quuite sure about the version of Hibernate in the book, we'd better wait for the authors to come up with the correct answers...
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Hibernate in Action covers Hibernate 2.1. For Hibernate3 and our plans, this is a copy of a section in the book frontmatter that answers it best:

The world doesn�t stop turning when you finish writing a book, and getting the book into production takes more time than you could believe. Therefore, some of the information in any technical book becomes quickly outdated, especially when new standards and product versions are already on the horizon.

Hibernate3, an evolutionary new version of Hibernate, was in the early stages of planning and design while this book was being written. By the time the book hits the shelves, there may be an alpha release available. However, the information in this book is valid for Hibernate3; in fact, we consider it to be an essential reference even for the new version. We discuss fundamental concepts that will be found in Hibernate3 and in most ORM solutions. Furthermore, Hibernate3 will be mostly backward compatible with Hibernate 2.1. New features will be added, of course, but you won�t have problems picking them up after reading this book. Inspired by the success of Hibernate, the EJB 3 Expert Group used several key concepts and APIs from Hibernate in its redesign of entity beans. At the time of writing, only an early draft of the new EJB specification was available; hence we don�t discuss it in this book. However, after reading Hibernate in Action, you�ll know all the fundamentals that will let you quickly understand entity beans in EJB 3.

For more up-to-date information, see the Hibernate road map: www.hibernate.org/About/RoadMap.


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Ko Ko Naing
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Christian Bauer, thanks a lot for some portions of the book...

Then we can confirm here the book is based on Hibernate 2.1... It's good to know that...
Pradeep bhatt
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However, after reading Hibernate in Action, you�ll know all the fundamentals that will let you quickly understand entity beans in EJB 3.


Hello author,

Is there an Indian edition of the book?
Thanks :roll:


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Christian Bauer
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There are no translations finished at the moment, but we have talked with our publisher about it. I think Manning has a newsletter subscription, if you want to be informed.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Christian Bauer:
There are no translations finished at the moment, but we have talked with our publisher about it. I think Manning has a newsletter subscription, if you want to be informed.


Thanks Christian !
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Hello author,

Is there an Indian edition of the book? QB]


Originally posted by Christian Bauer:
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There are no translations finished at the moment


What does it mean by Indian Edition? Will the whole book be translated into indian language? I have been thinking that books in Indian edition is kind of books printed in india...

Is the translation done by the publisher, hiring some indians to do the translation? Mmm, it's good to know that too...
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Indian edition is exactly is the same as US version except that US version is of superior quality. I cannot afford books which cost $40. Indian editions books cost around $8.
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manning pdf version can be bought with credit card from website and costs 22$.
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Indian edition is exactly is the same as US version except that US version is of superior quality. I cannot afford books which cost $40. Indian editions books cost around $8.


R u kidding? Is the cost only $8? Well, I think it's exlusively for use in India...

Mmm, they should have Thai edition as well? :roll:
Pradeep bhatt
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R u kidding? Is the cost only $8? Well, I think it's exlusively for use in India...


Yes, but the quality is not so great compared to US.I wanted to know from authors if they such an edition as I cannot afford to buy US edition . There is no translation required for Indian edition.

I think that Hibernate is a great product and I certainly need to a book to learn it.
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:

I think that Hibernate is a great product and I certainly need to a book to learn it.


R u currently using that in your work? Or you just have plan to use it in the future project?

As for me, I'm not using it in the current project... I do hope to apply it in the next project, as my boss is interested in using open source tools as much as possible..
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u currently using that in your work? Or you just have plan to use it in the future project?


No, I am not currently. It is being used in another module of my project. My module has just 2 tables , so it does not make sense to use it. Also, since EJB 3.0 entity beans borrows ideas from Hibernate, it would be good to have a solid knowledge of Hibernate. That is why, I was intersted in Indian edition of the book but looks like it will take a long time for the Indian edition of the book to be published.


I will have to read the Hibernate docs but it cannot substitute a book.
 
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