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Webservice and .Com - Have same Fate.

L Goundalkar
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Hi All,
As we know .com hype and boom is all over. I would like to discuss with you all about the fate of webservice.
Let me just tell about my understand of .com, where a product belonging to a particular category was sold to the customer.
In Webservice, instead of product, A service is sold to a business customer ( Developer / company ).
In case of .com, the best in the business will survive, since the customer will have access to all the sites related to the desired product.
In a similar manner, the webservices will aslo be having the same competetion from the related webservice providers.
So don't you think that Webservices will Fail, cuz it will be limited to handful of companies who will provide the service.
Don't you think its easy life for the developers than the service providers ?
Please correct me if I am wrong in my understandings.
Thanks for the time.
Waiting for your comments.

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Andy Rodriguez
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I would tend to disagree with the statement , primarily coz , you seem to rationalize the point of failure based on a B2C comparison of Webservices , How about Appln Integration , and other benefits that arise out of Webservices as a concept .?

Originally posted by L Goundalkar:
Hi All,
As we know .com hype and boom is all over. I would like to discuss with you all about the fate of webservice.
Let me just tell about my understand of .com, where a product belonging to a particular category was sold to the customer.
In Webservice, instead of product, A service is sold to a business customer ( Developer / company ).
In case of .com, the best in the business will survive, since the customer will have access to all the sites related to the desired product.
In a similar manner, the webservices will aslo be having the same competetion from the related webservice providers.
So don't you think that Webservices will Fail, cuz it will be limited to handful of companies who will provide the service.
Don't you think its easy life for the developers than the service providers ?
Please correct me if I am wrong in my understandings.
Thanks for the time.
Waiting for your comments.



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L Goundalkar
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So you mean to say that webservice is a Third Party tools or components put on the WEB ??
But don't you think the service provider will have to cope up with a lot of competetion?
Thanks.

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L Goundalkar
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Andy Rodriguez
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What i meant was , for some one to make an industry out of webservices and to start providing services , is far from reality now , considering the fact that UDDI and DISCO and similar protocol / concepts are not going to revolutionise the digital marketplace or replace existing EDI infrastructure starting today .
But to start with the concept today in any organization, webservice( SOAP / wsdl ) would certainly allow you to look at a piece of software from a business perspective , and allow you to reuse components ( can i say that ? ) in way , allowing your J2ee app for instance to talk to a disparate M$ app.
Another reason for discontent with your argument is the fact that , in your own words - "service sold to the customer" - this can not be done even today using webservice , partner agreement arrangement etc., are too immature and ill-defined to be used

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L Goundalkar
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So, is this means Webservices are theoritically Excellent Idea to implement in a development life cycle ( I agree that it makes developers life easy ).
But when it comes to B2B or B2C weservices will not be easy to handle practically. So Webservices are more likely to be .org than .com
Am I right?

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William Brogden
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Seems to me that "Web Services" will be most rapidly adopted for communication inside a corporation as part of a general integration of computing resources. In other words a continuation of trends, not a revolution.
I think that Lotus Notes was the first wave of this trend.
Bill

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L Goundalkar
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Hi,
If Web Services is used for Intranet Communication, then why should they use SOAP, UDDI and so on..
Don't you think its just like old wine in new bottle ??
Thanks.
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L Goundalkar
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Andy Rodriguez
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LG you might find this thread useful : http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum51/HTML/000002.html
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Tiger Scott
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The .com stock failure should not be equated to the .com technology failure. The .com technology is alive and prospering. Webservices is the next logical step in application integrattion- using open standards. As Bill pointed it will have huge application in the intranet space too.
Sanjay
L Goundalkar
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Hi,
So can you guys tell me how the webservices will be more helpful in an intranet application and does these features can't be implemented without webservices?
So we have come to conclusion that webservices is not recommended when we have internet application, because of vendor differences.
Thanks again.
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Tiger Scott
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SOAP helps to do app-to-app communication- a important function. Webservices discover apps (services) thru UDDI and then execute the apps using SOAP.
Sajay
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The statement "If Web Services is used for Intranet Communication, then why should they use SOAP, UDDI and so on.. "
Indicates that you think the corporate communication needs are pretty homogeneous and standardized. I don't think this is the case. A corporation may have 30 year old COBOL applications as well as state of the art wireless communication. SOAP offers a common language that is much easier to program than the previous best effort, CORBA. When you are talking about corporations like HP or Daimler-Chrysler with operations all over the world, corporate web services that use WSDL and UDDI start to sound pretty good.
Bill
L Goundalkar
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Hi,
So can't we have the corporate communications without using SOAP and Webservices?
If yes, then why we need to invent something new?
Can you please give me a list of advantages of SOAP.
Thanks.

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William Brogden
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Am I on trial here or something? Or are you writing a term paper? Why do you think all the big corporations are trying XML & SOAP for corporate network communication? It looks easier than the alternatives such as CORBA, which works but is hard to master, and EDI which is also hard to work with. Go do your own research or buy a book (preferably one of mine).
bill
Andy Rodriguez
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Or browse my "thoughts" for free , and download my book for free ( if i decide to write one and then decide to give it away for free - Thanks to Ed Roman II , and .pdf) http://javarecon.tripod.com/tech.html
Or Maybe LG is actually in the middle of his Turing test - mid term paper : http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~asaygin/tt/ttest.html

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L Goundalkar
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Hi Guys..
Don't be so bored and angry with me..
I am just discussing my thoughts about this topic.
Sure I will refer to the links you have given.
Thanks a lot.

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