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P Lu
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I heard this is a great book in JDJ
Richard Monson-Haefel
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I'll second that! Just kidding.


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P Lu
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Yes, it is you Author(Richard Monson-Haefel) said in the JDJ interview: "it's a great book".
I trust you, I read your EJB book, just passed Sun SCBCD yesterday.
P Lu
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I used webservice in weblogic 6.1 ( about two years ago), when it can expose a statelss bean to weblogic RPC style, and messageDrivenBean( or just implentment javax.jms.MessageListner) to async style, Since then I have not touch that subject, there are so many books and project come out,
I am a little bit "dizz" ( such as glue, axis and sun's), I hope finally some "winner" one two. My question for you :
Does your book only deal with SUN j2EE stuff, or some "winner"? everybody know sun can not make best product( sorry to say that) for some resaon.
Richard Monson-Haefel
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The book is vendor abnostic, so it doesn't talk about Sun's implemenation or BEA's or IBM's or anyone elses specifically. It explains the protocols and APIs which are themsevels vendor agnostic.
To be fair, you will still need to understand how to configure WebLogic or WebSphere or whatever you choose to use, but that's nothihng new. What is really challenging is understanding the use and purpose of the standards behind these products, and that's what my book does.
Richard Monson-Haefel
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One more thing: There are going to be two "winners" in the Web Services space and that is J2EE and .NET. I'm betting on J2EE.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Richard Monson-Haefel:
One more thing: There are going to be two "winners" in the Web Services space and that is J2EE and .NET. I'm betting on J2EE.

Why so?


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Lasse Koskela
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There's a huge mass of MS developers out there, Windows (and thus, .NET) is all over the world, and Web services is endorsed by Microsoft as a technology of choice when it comes to distributed computing.
Now, almost the same can be said about Sun/IBM/BEA. J2EE is all over the (server-side) world and Web services is endorsed by the J2EE specification.
Can you see any one of these two disappearing? If not, they will have to interoperate, and that's where web services become important.


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Pradeep bhatt
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I'm betting on J2EE.

Why bet on J2EE ? That is what I wanted to know.
Nicholas Cheung
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I wonder, Web Services should be platform independent, as it is a protocol for different objects for different servers talk together via HTTP and XML.
And thus, no matter J2EE or .NET, the principle will be the same. Am I correct?
Nick.


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Pradeep bhatt
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And thus, no matter J2EE or .NET, the principle will be the same. Am I correct?

The principle is the same but there must be some reason why I would opt for J2EE rather than .NET? :roll:
Nicholas Cheung
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Hi Pradeep,
The only reason I can think of is:
.NET can only be run on MS servers, while J2EE can run on any servers that contains J2EE container.
Nick.
Pradeep bhatt
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http://www.webservicesarchitect.com/content/articles/hanson01.asp
Howard Kushner
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Originally posted by Richard Monson-Haefel:
One more thing: There are going to be two "winners" in the Web Services space and that is J2EE and .NET. I'm betting on J2EE.

I'll second that and take it even farther. In fact, I just got the go ahead from my publisher to write a Web Services Certification Study Guide for WebSphere addressing their new Test 288 (Developing Web Services with WebSphere Studio V5.1)
Check out this link Test 288 Objectives


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I have done web services in .NET and they are incredibly easy to code. It can literally take five minutes to change a program to be a web service. And using VisualStudio.NET you can access a web service with virtually zero coding.


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v giri
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Howard
What is the estimated publication date of your new book on Web Services Certification ?
Thanks and best wishes


-giri
Darryl Failla
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I am far from an expert, but it seems that .NET doesn't yet have the API library that Java has amassed, but it is easier to code. Would you say that is what determines the choice at this time?


Darryl Failla
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Howard Kushner
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Originally posted by v giri:
What is the estimated publication date of your new book on Web Services Certification?

We're looking at sometime around mid-year. I'll keep you posted.
Richard Monson-Haefel
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Some one wanted to know why I'm going to bet on J2EE. Well, I think people have a lot of reasons for going with .NET or J2EE, mine are pretty simple: I like working with Java, I understand J2EE, and I've seen it succeed and blow away CORBA and DCOM. I also like Dr. Pepper and prefer to drink it whenever I can, but right now I'm having a Cherry Coke because that's all the coffee shop offers. Get it? That's just me. Personally, I like to see continued competition between the MS and Java worlds, it keeps us all on our toes.
 
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