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how about sun certification for the j2me

ersin eser
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I wonder if Sun going to come out with Sun Certified Wireless Programmer for J2ME exam , it would be cool
Mark Herschberg
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I would think that's unlikely in the next 2-3 years. If you look at the exams, they focus on genral Java concepts and not specific APIs. The concepts are the same; and since the J2ME APIs are, for the most part, watered down J2SE APIs, I don't see it as likely.
I know there are some questions about packages, and if J2ME produces a comphrensive set of new packages, e.g. RMS, Connection classes, maybe there will be. Of course, a J2ME one would likely be inappropriate, since given how J2ME is broken down, it's unlike anyone would need to or care to know all the J2ME APIs. I suspect a CLDC-based exam would be more likely than a full J2ME exam (although they'd probably annoyingly call it a J2ME exam).
I could see it as more likely that they would include J2ME questions on a SCJA exam.

--Mark
Richard Taylor
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(Personal hat on here, so flame away...)
I find the excitement over certification really strange. If I want to employ someone, their potential (and communication and team skills, of course) is what matters. Could they solve a problem I give them.
I don't know how Java Certification works, but I can't imagine the exams allow much free thought - but I suspect they are full of memory tests. "What class do you use to blah blah blah..."
Somebody correct me, and tell me they test ingenuity and not memory. If they do, marking the papers must be very time-consuming.
P.S. I have the world's worst memory, but my ingenuity cuts in with fabulous excuses when I get caught out :-)
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ersin eser
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I believe certifications are only good for entry level job applications. It only shows dedication and if you are out there to hire an entry level applicant without a serious experience thats when it counts.
I just wanted to know what people thinks about this particular idea ( since Sun has decided to come out with servlet & jsp certification )
$0.02
Mark Herschberg
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I happen to agree with you Richard. For an extended discussion, check out the Job Discussion forum, which rehashes this topic about once a month :-p
(Search under "SCJP" or "certification")
--Mark
Richard Taylor
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On the J2ME angle, of course, the best way of impressing a potential employer, ifyou're visiting, is to take your J2ME-enabled device along. It takes no space up, and (right now) wows the pants off them.
Even better if you have a server you can hook it up to, and demonstrate OTA and data loading.
Buying a J2ME device is probably cheaper than certification, but the server side is still quite expensive. However, there are some ISPs that will host your J2EE application for a smaller monthly fee...
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Johannes de Jong
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Originally posted by Richard Taylor:
On the J2ME angle, of course, the best way of impressing a potential employer, ifyou're visiting, is to take your J2ME-enabled device along. It takes no space up, and (right now) wows the pants off them.
Even better if you have a server you can hook it up to, and demonstrate OTA and data loading.
Buying a J2ME device is probably cheaper than certification, but the server side is still quite expensive. However, there are some ISPs that will host your J2EE application for a smaller monthly fee...

Thanks for the tip. You actually answer my other question here .
As a hobby'ist there is still hope to
  • come up with a great idea
  • design the application for the idea
  • Code it, J2ME & server side
  • Test on emulator and server
  • Buy the micro device & find an ISP
  • Go off and sell it

  • Sounds like one of the few opportunities still left out there, without having to fork out a fortune
    The question is ?. Which one to choose Palm, Nokia, etc. ? dont worry answering this one cant expect you to have a crystal ball
    [This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited August 03, 2001).]
Richard Taylor
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Right now, I'm partial to the Motorola Accompli because its actually a pretty useful device even without the J2ME!
Its replaced my phone and PDA (although its far from perfect), which means I don't carry two devices.
Its got a good screen, its a sensible size (phone-sized) and the majority of the J2Me isn't too slow.
The Achilles Heel? Its very slow writing data away in J2ME. I've asked why, and its because it saves to flash RAM, but its still unacceptable for decent amounts of data, which is annoying, considering how good the rest of the device is. Oyu have to code defensively and do any saving in a background thread, which cause application re-work...
But still, it works.
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Johannes de Jong
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Good to see you back Richard. Some authors dont even pitch for the promotion of their books but you We really appreciate it.
From your posting in this thread I get the feeling that you are a "free-lancer" is that correct ?
By the way Richard I bumped into the Openwings site which might interest you.
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited August 09, 2001).]
 
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