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What is Microsoft’s counterpart of J2ME?

Bruce Jin
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Isaias C. Barroso
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In the http://www.appforge.com/dev/ have any informations about this.
But i think that J2ME is more productive.
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a sanjuan
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for resident programs, but for high end phones/PDAs, microsoft is trying to get users to use the Compact Framework, which is currently still in Beta, with no firm date when it's coming.
for a look at some of the frustrations of people using this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=58c3c98f.0207151228.6265808%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Djava%2B50%2Bmillion%2Bphone%2Bgroup:microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D58c3c98f.0207151228.6265808%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D1
there is almost no chance the microsoft offering will be anything more than a fringe technology in smartphones (simply because the major phone vendors are leery of MSFT). the more competitive technology is called BREW, by qualcomm.
for a look at why to use J2ME:
http://www.blueboard.com/j2me/why.htm
Raj Birru
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Thanks for the links.
I particularly liked the following link about why to use J2ME.
http://www.blueboard.com/j2me/why.htm
Debbie Argulkar
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Hi,
I hope this helps you.
Building Mobile Web Applications with .NET Mobile Web SDK & ASP.NET
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a sanjuan
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not to be contrary, but the mobile link you posted is not really comparable to MIDP apps running resident on a device, but more in line with an IDE that creates markup language for display.

Originally posted by Debbie Argulkar:
Hi,
I hope this helps you.
Building Mobile Web Applications with .NET Mobile Web SDK & ASP.NET
Good Luck
a sanjuan
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here's something interesting:
Target stores began the first large scale smart card based loyalty program in the United States last September 2001. Target sent out 2.5 MILLION java smart cards, along with free smart card readers to its customers. In addition to providing secure access to their store account, consumers can go online on their home computers to download the loyalty program´┐Żs electronic coupons onto their smart cards. Target will redeem the coupons at the POS in stores.
to get Target smart cards:
http://www.target.com/common/financialservices/target_visa_main.jhtml
Originally posted by Raj Birru:
Thanks for the links.
I particularly liked the following link about why to use J2ME.
http://www.blueboard.com/j2me/why.htm
Michael Yuan
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Actually, I really liked the special ASP tag library in .NET Mobile kit. I think we should have a similar tag library in JSP to support WAP/WML devices.
Is there such effort in the JSP community?


Seam Framework: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0137129394/mobileenterpr-20/
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a sanjuan
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i played around with some of their stuff before (not wml though), but they have some taglibs for wml:
go to #93+
http://www.servletsuite.com/jsp.htm
i used to hang around this site when i was into JSP a lot more than i am now...it might have some additional info:
http://www.jspinsider.com/index.jsp

Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
Actually, I really liked the special ASP tag library in .NET Mobile kit. I think we should have a similar tag library in JSP to support WAP/WML devices.
Is there such effort in the JSP community?
Michael Yuan
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Originally posted by a sanjuan:

go to #93+
http://www.servletsuite.com/jsp.htm

That is pretty cool. Thanks. But still, it would be nice if someone can propose a JSR and standardize this. Considerring that there are so many J2ME JSRs out there that do not make much sense, a standard JSP tag library that can compete directly with M$ is much needed!
Debbie Argulkar
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Hi sanjuan,
Thanks for the correction. Appreciate it.
Regards,
Deb
a sanjuan
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not correcting, just clarifying. i made the same assumption myself at first.
just as in the smart card and other small devices arena, by a series of fortuitous events, java has made much better inroads, and been much more successful, than other technologies.
i believe it has something to do with the fact that in these markets, the primary goal of java ("portability") has been remarkably in synch with the goals of the major multiple vendors in each market...much much more so than in either the server market or definitely in the desktop (where you have one BIG vendor, so what's the point of portability?).

Originally posted by Debbie Argulkar:
Hi sanjuan,
Thanks for the correction. Appreciate it.
Regards,
Deb
Byron Estes
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Just read an article on page 5 of the August 1, 2002 Edition of Software Development Times called "SmartPhone 2002 Close to Release".
The first line reads...
"Microsoft Corp. is close to releasing SmartPhone 2002, the long-awaited verion of it's Windows CE operating system designed for cell phones and other mobile telephony devices..."
SmartPhone 2002
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a sanjuan
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they've been "close to releasing" that thing since forever. who really cares? WinCE/Pocket PC in the form of Compaq/HP and Casio can't even get its act together in the handheld market (where it's being swamped by the Palm OS).
the main competitor of MIDP is BREW (no matter what qualcomm says). there are about 1 million phones running BREW right now, on many different kinds of brands, and rising fast. and, as we all know, consumers don't really care what tech is powering their apps so long as it works.
[ August 01, 2002: Message edited by: a sanjuan ]
Bruce Jin
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Thank you all for the interesting discussions.
Excuse me for my ignorance. I know very little about J2ME and WAP/WML.
What is MIDP and how does it relate to J2ME?
It was mentioned in above posts that 1 million phones are running BREW. How many are running MIDP (J2ME)?
It seems to me that J2SE, J2EE, J2ME are all spreading fast and are ahead of MSFT’s counterparts.
a sanjuan
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here's a page that gives some numbers:
http://www.blueboard.com/j2me/why.htm#phones
the number of standard MIDP phones is obviously much much less than that 23 million number bandied about.
[ August 01, 2002: Message edited by: a sanjuan ]
 
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