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Gurpreet Saini
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hi there,
I have a question saying that Firstly, I would like to develope an MIDP application and beside that my application must hook to my machine via IP protocol i.e my machine would be on internet. Secondly, through OTA my JAD will be residing on my machine and I want to download from my machine on my cell phone. Is it possible ?. This I want to do as I am begginer in J2ME technology. Please do suggest me your opinions regarding the best and cheap cell phone models in nokis . How about nokia 6600 model ?.
thank you,
gurpreet
Lasse Koskela
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my application must hook to my machine via IP protocol i.e my machine would be on internet. Secondly, through OTA my JAD will be residing on my machine and I want to download from my machine on my cell phone. Is it possible ?
Yes, it's possible. If your midlet wants to use HTTP to connect to the server, MIDP 1.0 is enough, but if you need raw socket connections then you'll have to get a MIDP 2.0 phone.
me your opinions regarding the best and cheap cell phone models in nokis . How about nokia 6600 model ?
I have no idea which phone models you have where you live, nor do I have an idea about their prices, but I'm pretty sure Nokia 6600 is not among the cheapest models... It's a good phone, though.
PS. It's good netiquette to use a bit more informative title for a thread than "Question", and to not use so many question marks either...


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Gurpreet Saini
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I thank you for your fast response. Please also tell me about the KVM and JAM pack on cell phone. Do these things come in built with cell phones or we have to do something?. JAM would be a sort of gui which will actually install the jad component and KVM will launch the application . Am I right ?.
thank you,
gurpreet
Lasse Koskela
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Originally posted by Gurpreet Saini:
Please also tell me about the KVM and JAM pack on cell phone. Do these things come in built with cell phones or we have to do something?. JAM would be a sort of gui which will actually install the jad component and KVM will launch the application . Am I right ?.

If your cellphone's feature list includes "Java games" or "MIDP 1.0" or "MIDP 2.0", then you don't need to do anything as the phone already has a virtual machine and the Java Application Manager. If it doesn't mention these, I'm afraid you have no way of installing them...
Gurpreet Saini
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hi there,
If I try to hook with my machine do I will be charged ?.
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Lasse Koskela
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Originally posted by Gurpreet Saini:
If I try to hook with my machine do I will be charged ?

What do you mean by "hooking with my machine"?
What do you mean by "being charged"?
Gurpreet Saini
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hi there,
Hook means "Being connected".
Charge means "To pay bill (by money, cash, or even by credit card).
thank u
gurpreet
David Price
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If your MIDlet running in your phone makes an HTTP or TCP/IP connection over the phone network (e.g. GPRS) to your server computer, you will be charged by your operator according to their normal rates for phone data connections. Usually your operator doesn't know (or care) whether the data connection is being made by your MIDlet, the phone's internal browser, or your PC using the phone as a modem, and will charge all of these the same.
As Lasse says, the Nokia 6600 is not one of Nokia's cheapest phones, but it is one of the best - it's the one I chose, when I was able to choose any Nokia phone. Which phone is best for you depends on where you are: e.g. many phones sold in Europe will not work in USA. Can you tell us where you are?
If you're in the part of the world that uses normal GSM (e.g. Europe, most of Asia), the cheapest Nokia J2ME MIDP 1.0 phone is perhaps the Nokia 3510i (or its Asian variant, the Nokia 3530). For a little more you can get a Series 40 phone (better screen resolution), the Nokia 3100. If you need a Nokia J2ME MIDP 2.0 phone (e.g. so you can use TCP/IP sockets instead of HTTP for your network connections) then the Nokia 6600 and Nokia 6230 are the phones to look at.
If you want to quickly compare the prices of Nokia's phones (and find which ones are already for sale), this Finnish phone shop's Nokia page is a good place to look.
Lasse Koskela
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Originally posted by Gurpreet Saini:
Hook means "Being connected".
Charge means "To pay bill (by money, cash, or even by credit card).

Yeah, that's what I figured... Although it could've been about you getting electrically charged
Gurpreet Saini
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hi there,
I am currently in india (New Delhi). Which phone set will actually suite me for developing J2ME applications ?.And I Thank you very much for your brief information.
regards
gurpreet
David Price
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(Please excuse that I only have information about Nokia phones - you can no doubt find very suitable phones from other manufacturers too, but I don't know enough about them to help).
From Nokia India's phone model page you can find a list of phone models that are available in India. The following phones from that page's 'current models' support MIDP 1.0: Nokia 7650, 7600, 7250i, 7210, 7200, 6820, 6800, 6610, 6220, 6100, 5100, 3660, 3650, 3586, 3585, 3530, 3300, 3200, 3120, 3100. And the following support MIDP 2.0: Nokia 6600, 6230. From Forum Nokia's device specifications page you can find out which Java APIs each model supports.
Some models I'll call your attention to:

Nokia 3530 - probably the cheapest Nokia Java MIDP 1.0 phone for you, 96x65 colour screen
Nokia 3100/3120 - probably the cheapest 'Series 40' phones: MIDP 1.0 and 128x128 colour screen
Nokia 6600 - supports 'Series 60', Symbian OS, MIDP 2.0 & JSR-82 Bluetooth API
Nokia 6230 - supports MIDP 2.0 & JSR-82 Bluetooth API, physically smaller than 6600
 
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