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sonir shah
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Joined: Nov 01, 2001
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Hello all.
I am appearing for SCJP next month.At present I am referring RHE and doing the JQ+ exams.Can any one let me know are these two sufficient to pass the exam??
Sonir
Manfred Leonhardt
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Hi Sonir,
If you do well (90%+) on those tests you should do fine on the exam. You might want to branch out and try some Marcus Green exams. They are very good questions and a good test of your skills.
Regards,
Manfred.
Jennifer Warren
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Joined: Aug 24, 2001
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Further, to that if u can get hold of Khalid Mughal's book. Its the best book to prepare for certification.
Jennifer.
sonir shah
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Hi.
Referring another book is always a good thing, but the problem here comes is the time constraint.
As I have only one month's time, I cannot afford to start another book at this moment.
Please help
Junilu Lacar
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Joined: Feb 26, 2001
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sonir,
As with everything, the key is not to panic. Study purposefully and steadily. And of course, practice makes perfect. Write lots of programs to help digest what you have been reading. If you have doubts, just do a search in this forum or post a question.
RHE has very good coverage of the exam objectives and it was practically the only book I used when I studied for my exam. I went from Java novice to SCJ2P in a little less than 2 months. The only other book that I used to back up RHE was Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" which you can download for free.
Good luck!
Junilu


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sonir shah
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Hey every one tells me that we need to practice codes.
Can u tell me where do we get such codes to practice?..A javarancher told me that you need to write down your own codes and try but as in my case I dont know to write codes except for those easy ones.like simple program.
Can u let me know what should I do as far as this coding concept is concerned?
Sonir Shah
Junilu Lacar
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That JavaRancher gave you good advice. Write many simple programs to try out what you understand of the language. If you have a doubt, try writing a small program to see for yourself before you post questions here. You will probably find that you can get your answer much faster that way. There's really nothing better than experimentation and experience when it comes to learning how to do something and this is especially true to programming. The programs don't have to be large and complicated -- the purpose is simply to make sure that you understand a particular concept.
Junilu
sonir shah
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Hi Junilu
When can i feel that I am ready for the exam?..
At present my scores at the JQ+ mocks are very bad.Infact in most of the tests, I am not even able to clear the passing score.
Also RHE , I am finding very difficult, because I dont have any programming base knowledge and any how I am managing to read RHE.
kindly help as I have only month in my hand
Sonir
Valentin Crettaz
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First of all, you shouldn't schedule your exam (which is next month from what I heard) until you feel comfortable. In your case, it should take longer since you say it yourself you have no programming experience and IMO you have to gain some experience before taking the exam otherwise you have greater chances to fail. You can't start learning Java by trying to take SCJP, you have to begin with the basics: Java tutorial and stuff. RHE is not targeted at people who have no Java experience even less at people who have no programming experience at all. I think you should take some time to learn Java itself and then when you feel you are ok you can take the SCJP.

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sonir shah
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Hi Valentin
Its not that I am completely new to Java, as I have done a Java Programming course from an Institute.But the problem is that in that course what I was taught was very basic kind of, which i think is not going to help me much, because in that we just had simple things like main program, bit of threads , small methods etc..So when i read RHE i can make out what is going around , but when the matter goes in depth, it becomes difficlut for me to cope.All the simple and basics, I am aware of.But i guess that is not at all sufficeint from the exam point of view.
Although I have a few tutorials with me , but in that too i face the same problem of not getting things properly i.e not understanding the depth of that particular topic.
And secondly my voucher is expiring next month itself, and I dont want to postpone the exam any ways due to some reasons(that is the reason I am scheduling my exam date.voucher expires on 31st Jan)Kindly help.Need all your suggestions and your steps to follow badly.
Sonir
sonir shah
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Valentin,
Waiting for your reply
Sonir
Valentin Crettaz
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Sorry Sonir I was kind of busy.
Sounds like your problem is a time problem. Your voucher is expiring next month and you only have got 40 days left. Well, since we can't stop the time (and I'd like to be able to do that some times ), I think you have to get the most of the remaining days and work a lot. From what I got from your posts you took a course that taught you the basics of Java. Well I suggest you focus on the topics you don't understand, you learn how to code, then code a lot, and if you get in trouble then post your question here at Javaranch and we will help you. 40 days, you can make it, just be serious while learning and don't hope the certification is getting in your pocket miraculously.
HIH
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Valentin Crettaz
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sonir shah
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Hi Valentin
Thanx again for your valuable suggestions.
I would like to ask you one thing? how do we practice codes.
Seriously speaking I dunno much about writing codes.I just know a simple program to code.i.e a program with a simple method and a main method.thats all.Is there any site where we can write codes and practice..Please help me ..I really want to make clear this code matter.
Hey is JQ+ good enough for the questions? I have heard that we get similar questions in the SCJP from the JQ+ .Is that true.Be Frank and let me know
Waiting for your reply
sonir shah
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Valentin,
Waiting for your reply
Sonir
Valentin Crettaz
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Sonir,
I'm sorry if I don't answer you right away, but I have to sleep too .
How do we practice code?
Well, there are lots of ways to practice code. But the best one for the purposes of SCJP is to write small programs that let you understand a specific topic. For instance, if you are learning the java.lang.Math class, you should write some code containing all methods of the Math class and see what happens. Try modifying the method arguments and look how they influence the returned value.
You said you know about writing simple programs, well, that's sufficient if you wanna do what is described above. And believe me, the more you write simple programs, the more you'll get used to writing them and the bigger they become. So without even noticing it, you'll write bigger and bigger programs.
You don't need a specific site to write code. The only thing you need is a Java development kit (look at http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3), a text editor (Notepad or Emacs) and the Java API which you can find online at http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/index.html. Then, in the API, look at the packages part of the objectives of SCJP (java.lang,java.util,...) and write some simple code that uses the methods of the classes that are part of the package you are studying... And that's it... Do this every day and you'll soon get used to write Java code (provided you have the basic knowledge you say you were taught)
Concerning JQ+, the question are tougher than those of the real exam. That means that the score you get with JQ+ is sort of lower than the one you'd get in the real exam. But if you manage good score with JQ+ you are almost certain of scoring more in the real exam. One advice though: every time you take a test, try to simulate the same condition that in the real exam, i.e. do not cheat (look into the API or whatever else) if you don't know the answer, try to find it given your knowledge. If you cheat you will not memorize the answer the same way you'd do if you hadn't cheated
OK, get some work done
HIH

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Valentin Crettaz
Sun Certified Programmer for Java 2 Platform
[This message has been edited by Valentin Crettaz (edited December 11, 2001).]
Jeff Slominsky
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Joined: Dec 10, 2001
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Marcus Green's tests are the most accurate tests that i have taken to prep for the SCJP exam. I scored a 71% on his exams, all three of them, and i scored a 71% on the exam. Be sure you know how stuff works. Most of the questions are code based, and very obfscuated code at that. Pick up the complete java 2 cert book by cybex, it the best, and pick up exam cram too. read the tonite. Between Marcus's tests and the books, i am sure you will do just fine.
Good Luck,
Jeff Slominsky
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