my dog learned polymorphism*
The moose likes Programmer Certification (SCJP/OCPJP) and the fly likes Latest From Sun 1.4 Big Moose Saloon
  Search | Java FAQ | Recent Topics | Flagged Topics | Hot Topics | Zero Replies
Register / Login
JavaRanch » Java Forums » Certification » Programmer Certification (SCJP/OCPJP)
Bookmark "Latest From Sun 1.4" Watch "Latest From Sun 1.4" New topic
Author

Latest From Sun 1.4

Amir Ghahrai
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 19, 2002
Posts: 110
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform 1.4 (310-035) - Exam will be available in August 2002.
Objectives are available (The new exam version does not include I/O or AWT).
http://suned.sun.com/US/certification/java/java_progj2se.html


Amir
Alan Chong
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 05, 2002
Posts: 106
I didn't see any new objective headings added.
Does the new one just get narrower in range of objective?
manasa teja
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 27, 2002
Posts: 325
I think, they will increase the difficulty of the exam... as the objectives are less than 1.2.
So, ranchers, java gurus and Marcus sir,
It's the time for you to help us...


MT
Amir Ghahrai
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 19, 2002
Posts: 110
Well there is the additional knowledge of the Wrapper classes and seems the Collections objectives has increased. and also assertions.
But still, I don't know why would Sun take these two important Objectives (AWT and I/O) out of the programmer exam. to me it seems that having the SCJP2 for 1.2 is more valuable!
Thiru Thangavelu
Ranch Hand

Joined: Aug 29, 2001
Posts: 219

to me it seems that having the SCJP2 for 1.2 is more valuable!

I agree 100% with you Amir.
Most of the people are going to neglect AWT and IO, which is very difficult for their programming career. That's the reason I have taken the exam now itself, which gave me a chance to study both IO and AWT thoroughly.


Thanks,<br />Thiru<br />[SCJP,SCWCD,SCBCD]
manasa teja
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 27, 2002
Posts: 325
yes I agree with you. Atleast, they would have kept IO, which is very important for real java projects
Larry Lecomte
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 14, 2002
Posts: 37
Will it still be possible to take the Platform 1.2 exam in august or later
Junilu Lacar
Bartender

Joined: Feb 26, 2001
Posts: 4456
    
    6

Originally posted by Larry Lecomte:
Will it still be possible to take the Platform 1.2 exam in august or later

They normally retire the old one when the new one is put into place.
Becky Nagel
Greenhorn

Joined: Jun 27, 2002
Posts: 1
Actually, Sun just changed their policy -- they're now going to version their Java certs, just like they do right now with Solaris.
Here's a news story I wrote about it:
http://www.certcities.com/editorial/news/story.asp?EditorialsID=313
-- Becky
Joshua White
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 04, 2001
Posts: 97
Has anyone heard if the exam will be 160 questions like the beta or will it be 60 questions like the 1.2 exam?
Junilu Lacar
Bartender

Joined: Feb 26, 2001
Posts: 4456
    
    6

Originally posted by Becky Nagel:
Actually, Sun just changed their policy -- they're now going to version their Java certs, just like they do right now with Solaris.
Hi Becky,
Welcome to JavaRanch! And thanks for the info.
Junilu
Junilu Lacar
Bartender

Joined: Feb 26, 2001
Posts: 4456
    
    6

Originally posted by Joshua White:
Has anyone heard if the exam will be 160 questions like the beta or will it be 60 questions like the 1.2 exam?
I doubt that it will be 160 questions long like the beta. That's just too gruelling. It'll probably closer to 60, something you can reasonably expect to complete in two hours.
Junilu
Francisco A Guimaraes
Ranch Hand

Joined: Mar 20, 2002
Posts: 182
Maybe Sun took out I/O beacause of the nio package in 1.4, and it would be to much to study, or maybe they want to focus on language fundamentals and the core elements, everything else might be seen as extensions of this core.
Francisco


Francisco<br />SCJP<br />please use the [code][/code] tags when showing code.Click <a href="http://saloon.javaranch.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=ubb_code_page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> to see an example.
chao-long liao
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 29, 2001
Posts: 78
So,It just become easier ???
Without awt and I/O,the scope of the exam will be highly truncated.
where can I get the 1.4 beta exam ?
thanks.
chao-long liao
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 29, 2001
Posts: 78
The policy will take effect later this summer when Sun releases a new version of its Certified Java Programmer (SCJP) exam. At that time, instead of retiring the older exam as has been done in the past, Sun will split the certification into two tracks:
SCJP for Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, version 1.4 (new exam)
SCJP for Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, version 1.2 (old exam)
The statements above mean that there will have 2 exam after August,scjp 1.2 and scjp 1.4,right??
Tate Yancey
Greenhorn

Joined: Jun 09, 2002
Posts: 2
Yes. There will be two exams.
Renata fonseca
Ranch Hand

Joined: Mar 15, 2002
Posts: 48
I'd like to know if there will be a new exame for Web Component...
I know that here i'snt a best place to talk about Web Component Exam but I just wanted to make use of this topic.
Sumit Amar
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 08, 2002
Posts: 180
Did someone from this forum take the 1.4 SDK Beta SCJP?


SCJP, SCWCD, OCA, OCP-DBA 9i, <a href="http://brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=2232802" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">BCIP</a>, MCP, MCAD, MCSD.NET, MCDBA, MCTS (SQL 05), MCITP (DBD, DBA)
Francisco A Guimaraes
Ranch Hand

Joined: Mar 20, 2002
Posts: 182
I did... and it wasn�t easy just because it didn�t have I/O or AWT, having less objectives helped them to make a more in-depth exam, taking great concerns in the language basics.
Francisco
Dan Chisholm
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 02, 2002
Posts: 1865
This new exam is interesting news. I have already paid for the 1.2 exam. Does anyone know if my 1.2 voucher will apply to the 1.4 exam.
To prepare for the exam, I have developed a mock exam web page. I have a total of sixty questions distributed across 3 mock exams of twenty questions each. The questions cover inheritance, initialization, inner classes, casting, operators, and control flow. I will probably add exception handling tomorrow. As a result of developing the exams my language fundamentals are now very good, but my AWT and IO skills need some work. If my voucher is applicable to the new exam, then maybe I should just wait.
I would like to get some feedback on my mock exam.
http://www.geocities.com/danchisholm2000/
For example, I'm wondering if it appears to be too easy or too difficult or just about right. Please take a look and let me know what you think.
Thank you,
Dan


Dan Chisholm<br />SCJP 1.4<br /> <br /><a href="http://www.danchisholm.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Try my mock exam.</a>
zarina mohammad
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 26, 2002
Posts: 104
dan,
i have answered the questions in the june28 mock exam. overall questions look tough. some answers need explanation. is the real exam as tough as this.?
Dan Chisholm
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 02, 2002
Posts: 1865
Originally posted by zarina mohammad:
dan,
i have answered the questions in the june28 mock exam. overall questions look tough. some answers need explanation. is the real exam as tough as this.?


Zarina,
Thank you for your response.
My personal opinion is that my mock exam might be more difficult than the real exam. I hope to hear more opinions from the people on this message board so that we will have a consensus.
Thank you,
Dan
David Brafford
Ranch Hand

Joined: Feb 11, 2001
Posts: 91
They took out two broad topics, and added
3 smaller topics:
Out: java.io, java.awt
In: assertions, wrapper classes, and hashCode
method implementations
Visit http://www.enterprisedeveloper.com/jcertify
if interested in preparing for the 1.4 platform
programmer exam
The nio package was certainly a factor in
removing the I/O package. And awt being
present without Swing has always been an
issue. This keeps the exam focused on the
language, which has been it's goal since
first being introduced by Sun.
Regards,
Dave
Theodore Casser
Ranch Hand

Joined: Mar 14, 2001
Posts: 1902

My question would be: is it really worthwhile for someone who is SCJP for the Java2 Platform, v1.2 to take the 1.4 examination? What does anyone else think on this?
Even with the non-retirement of the original certification, I don't know that it really would stand out any further, save to say that you're staying up to date with the latest version of the SDK. It's hardly like this is the first time they've done this - they did the same with the jump from 1.1 to 1.2, which means they will probably do it yet again in the future.


Theodore Jonathan Casser
SCJP/SCSNI/SCBCD/SCWCD/SCDJWS/SCMAD/SCEA/MCTS/MCPD... and so many more letters than you can shake a stick at!
nupur dhawan
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 26, 2002
Posts: 71
Dan,
I have attempted your mock exams ......they seem to be a bit hard...but overall , they provide some good insights .The explanations provided for the answers are good .


Nupur. <br />SCJP2.
Mandar Patki
Greenhorn

Joined: Jun 27, 2002
Posts: 16
Hi All,
Can anyone please tell me where can I find 1.4 SDK Beta SCJP ???
Thanks
Mandar Patki
Paulo Aquino
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 29, 2002
Posts: 200
AFAIK, Sun gave a specific time period to take the SCJP 1.4 beta exam and that time period had already passed. All you have to do right now is wait for the new exam this August.


Be Afraid...Be very Afraid...
Mandar Patki
Greenhorn

Joined: Jun 27, 2002
Posts: 16
Thanks Paulo for your quick reply,
But, How was this beta exam then? Meaning that was it just like SCJP2 pattern based ? What if anyone clears it, do they get certified from Sun? And how many questions in that?
In short I want what is beta exam meant for?
As per my knowledge, Sun is launchin SCJP 1.4 exam in Aug. Even though they have excluded IO and AWT from that, I still think to get certified from the latest one(if it really get launched in Aug then only, otherwise no point in waiting for that, right?). What you people say about this?
Thanks
Mandar Patki
Paulo Aquino
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 29, 2002
Posts: 200
From what i have read here in the forum there are 160 items in the beta test
Anonymous
Ranch Hand

Joined: Nov 22, 2008
Posts: 18944

I'm rather confused here... Can anyone tell me: now that there will be two different SCJP2 exams, will I have a different kind of certification if I take the 1.4 than if I take the 1.2 Or will I just be SCJP2 in any case? Does it matter for my degree of certification which one I take?
Please help!
Amir Ghahrai
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jun 19, 2002
Posts: 110
It will still be SCJP2 as it is still for the Java 2 Platform. Obviously, the objectives are slightly different for the two exams. Both will be available after July.
Valentin Crettaz
Gold Digger
Sheriff

Joined: Aug 26, 2001
Posts: 7610
Hanna,
Please read the following post:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/238501/java-programmer-SCJP/certification/java-certification-exam
[ July 11, 2002: Message edited by: Valentin Crettaz ]

SCJP 5, SCJD, SCBCD, SCWCD, SCDJWS, IBM XML
[Blog] [Blogroll] [My Reviews] My Linked In
David Brafford
Ranch Hand

Joined: Feb 11, 2001
Posts: 91
There is some interesting material on
Wrapper Classes ( part of 1.4 Platform Exam
Objectives ) at:
http://enterprisedeveloper.com/certification/scjp/wrappersummary.html
Regards,
Dave
Cheryl Gray
Ranch Hand

Joined: Nov 17, 2000
Posts: 44
Dan,
Your exams vary in difficulty. However, I learned a lot from them compared to what's in the Java 2 book from Addison and Wesley. You explore a lot of topics inside out.


Anything is possible to those who believe.
 
jQuery in Action, 2nd edition
 
subject: Latest From Sun 1.4