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Thinking about getting another book

Jasper Vader
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Joined: Jan 10, 2003
Posts: 284
Hi there,
I have been studying the R&H 3rd edition SCJP book, but am considering getting another.
Sun Certified Programmer & Developer for Java 2 Study Guide - by Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates seems interesting, maybe i will get that one. Is this the latest one out by Kathy, i hear she has put out a recent book?
Anyone have any suggestions, both in general and also concerning the Sierra and Bates book?
/edit - don't get me wrong, i am not saying the R&H book is insufficient, it is very good indeed; i am just considering getting another to reinforce somehow what i am learning. and i like the idea that the Kathy and Bates book has real-world examples.
[ January 23, 2003: Message edited by: Jasper Vader ]

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Jessica Sant

Joined: Oct 17, 2001
Posts: 4313

check out my review of the Sierra/Bates book. Also, if you do a search in this forum I'm sure you'll find a few more discussions about the book.
Jasper Vader
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Joined: Jan 10, 2003
Posts: 284
thanks Jessica, i was wondering if that was the latest book.
the thing is, i have been doing okay on the mock exams in the R&H book, but then when i have done the Dan C mock exams, they are so tricky and sneaky and irritating (in the best possible way Dan ), that it just makes me wonder whether i should get another book. of course, Dan's answer's and remarks are helpful.
maybe i don't need another book, just study and practice and compiling code ideas.
but i will have a search for discussions on the new Kathy/Bates book
Dan Chisholm
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Joined: Jul 02, 2002
Posts: 1865
Thank you for using my exams.
Most of the feedback that I have received suggests that my exams are more difficult than the real exam. For that reason, my exams have gone through a few iterations of simplification. For example, I removed control flow questions with triple nested loops and operator precedence questions have also been greatly simplified. On the certification results message board a few people recently stated that their score on my exam was about 20 percentage points below their score on the real exam. At this point, I suppose that 20 points might be typical; but I have not done a scientific survey.
I beta tested the exam questions in Kathy's book and found them to be very similar to the real exam. Of course, that is no surprise since Kathy and Bert are also co-authors of the real exam. I don't want to discourage anyone from buying a second book, but I also don't want to be the cause of someone buying a book if it might result is any budgetary problems for the buyer.

Dan Chisholm<br />SCJP 1.4<br /> <br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Try my mock exam.</a>
angelo celeste
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Joined: Mar 21, 2001
Posts: 73
Hi Jasper.
Don't hesitate to get Kathy and Bert's book.
It is written in such a way that "lightbulbs" will be going off while you are reading it.
"Oh that's how that works.....that makes sense to me now".
Get it and good luck!
Jasper Vader
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Joined: Jan 10, 2003
Posts: 284
Originally posted by Dan Chisholm:
Thank you for using my exams.

hey, thanks for writing them

...don't want to be the cause of someone buying a book if it might result is any budgetary problems for the buyer.

the main problem is mental pain for me when doing your exams dude, and i am glad of it, a good learning experience.
thanks again for your exams Dan, they are cool.
also - Angelo - i get the feeling that you are right, lots of lightbulb experiences may be possible with the SierraBates Java2 book.
I agree. Here's the link:
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