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To Bert and Kathy: Materials used for SCJP Tiger

 
Nicholas Cheung
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Bert and Kathy,

I would like to know, are there any recommendations from you two on the SCJP Tiger Beta exam? Currently, I used JLS and Core Java 7th edition. Any additional readings I needed?

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If you find any resource please post here.
http://www.coderanch.com/t/247037/java-programmer-SCJP/certification/Tiger-beta-resources
 
Nicholas Cheung
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Free or non-Free is ok?

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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Free or non-Free is ok?

Nick


Both.
 
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I imagine that, once there actually is a 1.5 SCJP exam, you'll have a much easier time finding materials. :roll:
 
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once there actually is a 1.5 SCJP exam, you'll have a much easier time finding materials.

But then, we might miss the beta period or get fail if we are not starting to prepare it from now on as there are lots of new features in Tiger, and it is much more difficult than the previous exams.

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The week after next we will create the Tiger exam...

Then Evelyn will do the beta period right after the new year, somewhere in there the new official Sun objectives will be published, and at that point you will probably see certification books arrive. We will be updating K & B as fast as possible , but you know we're not always the fastest
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The *real* exam probably won't be available until March or April - no promises yet!
 
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Thanks Bert.

The week after next we will create the Tiger exam...

That means, the exam questions are still not in developing process?


Then Evelyn will do the beta period right after the new year

How long will the beta period be?


We will be updating K & B as fast as possible , but you know we're not always the fastest

Will the HFJ 2nd edition focus on SCJP Tiger?

Nick
 
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Currently, I used JLS and Core Java 7th edition. Any additional readings I needed?


Where can I download the latest JLS? I can't find anywhere...

Or is it not free?

Nick, how's Core Java? Is it easy to read and understand, especially for new Tiger's features?
 
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Where can I download the latest JLS? I can't find anywhere...

Or is it not free?

It is free. But it is not called JLS directly. Currently, I am reading the JSR for JLS. There are 15 new JSRs added to Tiger:
JSR-003 JMX Management API
JSR-013 Decimal Arithmetic
JSR-014 Generic Types
JSR-028 SASL
JSR-114 JDBC Rowsets
JSR-133 New Memory Model
JSR-163 Profiling API
JSR-166 Concurrency Utilities
JSR-174 JVM Software Monitoring and Management
JSR-175 Metadata
JSR-199 Compiler APIs
JSR-200 Pack Transfer Format
JSR-201 Four Language Updates
JSR-204 Unicode Surrogates
JSR-206 JAXP 1.3

Based on the objectives I got from the survey, I am selectively reading them.


how's Core Java? Is it easy to read and understand, especially for new Tiger's features?

It is a great book. Although it is not written for SCJP Tiger, it covers all info we needed. But still, I am not sure how in-depth knowledge we need to know for Tiger.

Nick
 
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I read java 1.5 Tiger: Developer's notebook by David Flanagan. Any ideas how useful is that? It was short and quick but it covered lot of topics new to Java Tiger, I am planning to use my java 1.4 book by Khalid Moughal and new java 1.5 Developers book, hopefully that will cover all objectives from exam.
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hello,
Originally posted by Ko Ko Naing:

Where can I download the latest JLS? I can't find anywhere...

there is a page about Proposed Changes to the JLS.

Conan
 
Nicholas Cheung
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I am planning to use my java 1.4 book by Khalid Moughal and new java 1.5 Developers book, hopefully that will cover all objectives from exam.

I am pretty sure that this wont be they are not enough for SCJP Tiger, as Khalid's book focus on 1.4 even it is much more detail than the exam required as 1.5 has big changes in the J2SE infrastructure, while the devleopers book is too high level indeed. You might need to read some JSRs for more detail.

Nick
 
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Nicholas,

The beta will be sometime early in the new year! This is the place to watch for announcements, Evelyn will let us all know when the beta is happening.

HFJ 2nd edition will add Tiger features of course, but HFJ is still a beginning Java / OO book and some of the Tiger features are more advanced. So HFJ-tiger will not cover ALL of the new tiger features.
 
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Hi,

I have just finished some of the exams with Microsoft credential. And without stopping my pace, I am gonna take the Java exam. Starting from SCJP.

However, Sun is only offering SCJP 1.4 at the current moment, and Tiger is released ))........
Heard from you guys abt the SCJP Tiger Beta Exam... Has it been started??? And any idea of what time exact exam for 1.5 will be made available public?
And any idea if upgrading from 1.4 to 1.5 SCJP will be made available???

I am currently doing J2EE development job......Although further J2EE based exam may not make much different with Tiger released (I think so).....

But, I am quite interested with Tiger, since it is very different with previous released (other than the the NAME, of course with features....

Hope u guys can give me a comment on them.
Thanks in advance.
 
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"Spaceact" welcome to JavaRanch. Please take a few moments to read our JavaRanch Naming Policy. You can change your displayed name to conform with it via your profile.
Thanks,
-Barry
 
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Thankyou for changing your displayed name.
As far as your question goes - please take a look at Bert Bates' post just one above your first post.
 
Nicholas Cheung
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However, Sun is only offering SCJP 1.4 at the current moment, and Tiger is released ))........

SUN also offered SCJP 1.2, even though I think you might feel that it is out of date.


Heard from you guys abt the SCJP Tiger Beta Exam... Has it been started???

Nope, it will be started on Jan 2005, hopefully.


And any idea of what time exact exam for 1.5 will be made available public?

Around 3 -6 months after the beta period ends.


And any idea if upgrading from 1.4 to 1.5 SCJP will be made available???

After 1-6 months, I guess, after SCJP Tiger released offically.


I am currently doing J2EE development job......Although further J2EE based exam may not make much different with Tiger released (I think so).....

The focus on various exams are different. In SCJP, you could expect it wants you to know the basis of the language, while, say, in SCEA, it wants you to show how you could handle a real-life-like design problem.


But, I am quite interested with Tiger, since it is very different with previous released (other than the the NAME, of course with features....

That's true. I am looking forward with it too.

Nick
 
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:

It is a great book. Although it is not written for SCJP Tiger, it covers all info we needed. But still, I am not sure how in-depth knowledge we need to know for Tiger.

Nick


Is the Volume II enough to cover Tiger's topics? or we also need Volume I?
 
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Let me take another whack at this

At this point there are several books available that cover Tiger. Fair enough, since Tiger has been released.

However, this is the forum to talk about Tiger *certification*. It's not possible for anybody to have a decent Tiger certification book yet, because the exam hasn't even been created yet :roll:

We will be updating the K&B certification book for Tiger, and I'm sure there will be other certification updates too. I think the important distinction here is between:

A - a book on the Java Tiger release
B - a book on the Java Tiger Sun certification

From my perspective those should be two different books

So, in terms of our plans:

HF Java Tiger is almost done, and it is focused on learning Java- which includes the most important Tiger features. We hope that it will be a good book to learn Java, but it's definitely NOT a certification book :roll:

We will start updating the K&B certification book as soon as there is an exam We hope it will be a good Tiger certification book, but it's NOT going to be a beginner's Java book...

Does that make sense?

- Bert

p.s. We just want to make sure that no one buys the wrong book!
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A - a book on the Java Tiger release
B - a book on the Java Tiger Sun certification

From my perspective those should be two different books



I agree with you!!! According to me, a book for in-depth learning of a language should be different from those taking certification.
To what I think is that, one should have explored some of his/her time on the language already, then can take exam..... It means that at least you are interested in exploring the language rather than merely taking the exam.

The book for exam may cover the things that you need to know before exam (but it shd only for reviewing, after you already learn the language previously).....but, it may not seem enough for you to know the language better.

But, if you are very enthusiastic with your personal achievement, then....learning is the right path and certification is the supplement.
 
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Is the Volume II enough to cover Tiger's topics? or we also need Volume I?

I got both, but I am not sure whether which volume(s) cover the whole exam objectives. But Cay's books are very good for learning Tiger, and I hope they are useful for preparing SCJP Tiger.

Nick
 
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Bert,


We will start updating the K&B certification book as soon as there is an exam


When will the book release?

Nick
 
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We plan to have the book done in time for the exam. This is not our normal publisher however and we're trying to push them to see how fast THEY can get it out to the stores... we'll keep you posted!
 
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Bert

Any updates?
 
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What update are you looking for?, the beta test for the exam has been announced (see elsewhere in this forum) but has not started. So there can not be any book on an exam that does not exist and has not been tested. Meanwhile I recommend studying the new features of the 1.5 version of the language.
 
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