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ankur rathi
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When I will be moderator of any forum ?
Ernest Friedman-Hill
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THe JavaRanch FAQ explains where bartenders come from. The way to become a bartender is to be here a lot, be helpful a lot, and be nice a lot.


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Jeroen Wenting
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In any of the places I'm a moderator one thing you should never do to become one is ask if you can become one...

If moderators are needed people the existing moderators think will be good for the job will be invited.
People who ask for or even demand to be made moderators make themselves look like they just want to boss others around and will never be chosen.


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ankur rathi
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OK So Moderator is a person who is nice , decent & helpful .

What abt u jeroen ?



Anbu Anbalagan
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posted December 07, 2004 12:32 AM
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Hi All,
I am newly in java.so how do prepare the basic.what are the topics in basic of java.please give me good notes.


Thanks All

With Regards
Anbu P.
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R K Singh
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posted December 07, 2004 01:47 AM
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you are in wrong forum.

better check this.
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Jeroen Wenting
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posted December 07, 2004 04:23 AM
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why prepare basic when you are learning java?
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fred rosenberger
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Jeroen is not a moderator. He's usually a pretty nice guy!!!


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Ilja Preuss
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Originally posted by rathi ji:
OK So Moderator is a person who is nice , decent & helpful .

What abt u jeroen ?


I gather that you don't find his quoted post to be nice, decent and/or helpful?

If that is the case, I have an interesting exercise for you:

- try to think about at least three ways to interprete his post that makes it possible that it in fact *was* meant in a nice, decent and helpful way (even if he might have failed to communicate that effectively).

- then try to think what about his post made you feel that it wasn't nice, decent and/or helpful, and how you could communicate that to Jeroen in a nice, decent and helpful way. While doing that keep in mind that, as you are criticizing him, he is likely to imagine an inflection that is more aggressive than you intended, and that therefore you need to be much more nice and decent than if you were talking to him face to face.

Mastering skills like that is what makes you qualify for the job of a moderator...


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Bear Bibeault
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I'd also suggest taking the time to spell out "about" and "you".


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Don Stadler
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What I don't get is why so many people wish to be a moderator or bartender. Seems to me it's often a pretty thankless job.

Thank You, BTW. To all you guys of whatever title. I don't say that enough.
ankur rathi
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I'd also suggest taking the time to spell out "about" and "you".

I will suggest u bear that u should spend time on how to write 'I would '
MannY Gates
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LOL


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Nicholas Cheung
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I will suggest u bear that u should spend time on how to write 'I would '

At least, I think you could find that "I'd" from english grammer book or dictionary, however, could you show me that where could I find the explanation of "abt" means "about" and "u" means "you"?

Nick


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paul wheaton
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It's times like these that I really like the "posts" counter thing that appears at the bottom of messages.

"why prepare basic when you are learning java?" seems like a reasonable question to me. My interpretation of the message is that Jeroen is attempting to help somebody and needs more info to be helpful. Not for fabulous wealth. Not for glorious fame. Not to get laid. Hmmmmmm, I wonder what his reasoning is. Well, whatever it is, I know that I often need help and I hope that nobody says something that might convince him to not help me the next time I need help. Because that would make me really mad.


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Ilja Preuss
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Originally posted by rathi ji:
So its a common sense to interpret abt as a about & u as a you .


Possibly it's common sense. Still it makes posts harder to read. And when you want others to invest time to help you, you'd better take all the time you can to make it easier for them to do so. At least that's what I'd do.
Nick George
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Originally posted by rathi ji:

bye the way who wrote dictionary ??? GOD .


Hmm... I thought Webster did. Is there a suit going on about that?


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Ernest Friedman-Hill
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At JavaRanch, we're passionate about helping people learn about Java. We want to help people learn to be good developers. Part of that is encouraging excellent communications skills. Programmers need to be able to communicate well with customers and other team members, write good documentation, and of course write clean, well-commented code. They must understand and be able to follow conventions. They must not be so lazy that they'll use identifiers like pmtempcnt instead of permanentEmployeeCount to save themselves a bit of typing.

If I (or I daresay anyone else who runs successful software projects) get an email saying "Pls lk at my rsm. Cn I hv a jb? (Y/N)", my answer -- if I even bother to send an answer -- will be "N", without even opening the attachment. And if there are smilies, you can bet I won't even send that.

So by encouraging people to to learn to communicate clearly, we're helping people to advance in their chosen profession. Thanks for understanding, and we hope you'll continue to contribute to our community.
Mark Fletcher
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Ive got $5 in my pocket, some string and a packet of chewing gum.

Is that enough to buy me a Moderator position?



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Thomas Paul
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Originally posted by Nick George:
Hmm... I thought Webster did. Is there a suit going on about that?

Dr. Samuel Johnson wrote the first English dictionary.

My favorite Samuel Johnson story:

SJ was famous for being rather poor when it came to personal hygiene and a stickler for proper use of English words. Once a woman who had been standing next to Dr. Johnson turned to him and said, "Sir, you smell." Without missing a beat, Dr. Johnson replied, "No madam, you smell. I stink."


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Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Mark Fletcher:
Ive got $5 in my pocket, some string and a packet of chewing gum.

Is that enough to buy me a Moderator position?



you are confusing the position of moderator with the social status of "moderately wealthy"
Ben Wood
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If no-one else mentioned Johnson then I was going to because I actually live in Johnson's home town. You can even go to a museum about him http://www.lichfield.gov.uk/sjmuseum/.

If you want quotes, go here.

Incidentally, Charles Darwin's grandfather, Erasmus, also lived in Lichfield. I guess it was just the place to be back in the olden days

Anyway, I'm going off topic. My thoughts are that on an international forum where people's English can be understandably variable, due to it not being their first language, the use of abbreviations at best makes posts more difficult to read and at worst makes them very hard to understand (and I'm English!).


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Chris Staten
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Posts: 101
There are some post in this thread that are exactly the reason that I come to Java Ranch first when I want to ask a question, try to answer some questions (wish I was better at this) so that I can understand Java better myself, or just kill some time.

What I mean is that some of the �flame� sounding post in this thread are unusual for Java Ranch, while the replies to these posts are articulate an considerate (as undeserving as the flame posts are).

I�d like to say thank you to all of the Moderators for their hard work here at Java Ranch (especially you Bear since I live in the JSP forum).
Adeel Ansari
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i think it doesn't matter alot that if you are a bartender or not. forget the title mate work like bartenders.

i do the same . sometimes i feel myself as a sheriff. ain't it cool?

King should behave like a king, no matter there is a crown on his head or a casual hat or nothing.
Helen Thomas
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Originally posted by Adeel Ansari:
i think it doesn't matter alot that if you are a bartender or not. forget the title mate work like bartenders.

i do the same . sometimes i feel myself as a sheriff. ain't it cool?

King should behave like a king, no matter there is a crown on his head or a casual hat or nothing.


Oh, believe me it does matter. If they gave every cow-poke a title the traffic would dwindle to much less.
I'm glad for you if you feel like a sheriff. But I think I know what you mean.
[ December 17, 2004: Message edited by: Helen Thomas ]

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