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Entry level job wanted in US (part time, full time, temp, contract, volunteer ok)

Min Huang
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Joined: Mar 17, 2004
Posts: 100
Hi.
I am looking for work. Willing to relocate for full time permanent position. Temp, contract, and part time OK. Volunteer OK as well, but it must be on site (around the Los Angeles area.
I am looking for an entry level/internship, preferably programming Java. C++ is ok too, but I am slightly more well versed in Java. I am also a PHP/MySQL programmer, but not by trade.
SCJP
SCJD
SCBCD (In Progress)
Find the rest of my stats here: resume.
Thanks.
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SCJP 1.4, SCJD 1.4, SCBCD (Preparing!)
veena chandran
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Joined: Apr 27, 2004
Posts: 3
Hi Min Huang !
Why don't you try http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/jobseeker/jobsearch/search_results.html?keywords_all=entry%2Blevel&industry1=MIS&city1=&state1=&country1=USA&search_type_form=quick&updated_since=sixtydays&basicsearch=0&advancedsearch=0&metro_area=1&search=Search&kw=entry%2Blevel
There seems to be a few entry level vacncies here. But could you tell me how you went about these certifications ? I intend to get these too. However, have just started learing Java. Could you tell me how much you spent on exam fees, books, etc and how much effort it takes ? What is the difficulty level ? I know C/C++ well and am working on Java using the Core Java book by Sun Microsystems. Do you want to sell a good certification book or give it away or know anyone who does ?
Also try jobgusher.com, careers.org, and dice.com. You could even volunteer on projects to get experience while you are searching for a job. Or you could look out for Internships while on the job-hunt.
Just a suggestion....
-Veena
Min Huang
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Joined: Mar 17, 2004
Posts: 100
Hi Veena,
Thanks for the tips. I've not heard of jobgusher.org or careers.org. Currently I am doing volunteer work writing PHP, but I'd rather write Java and get some more experience doing that.
Here are some tips for you:
The SCJP is considered either very easy or surprisingly difficult, depending on whom you talk to. I thought it was quite simple, but I was surprised at the kind of questions it asked - basically I felt like Sun was trying to turn me into a Java compiler
I used Sierra & Bates book from Amazon to prepare for SCJP and it took me less than 1 week (about 20 hours of study). I only had a little bit of experience with Java then (like you, I was a C++ guy).
The SCJD was a bit more difficult. Prior to registering the exam, I did not know RMI, Sockets, AWT/Swing, File I/O; the major topics of the SCJD exam. Also, I was not an experienced programmer and I was not familiar with design patterns and such. If you are going for SCJD, hopefully you are familiar with multi-tier client server application programming as well.
I recommend the books Design Patterns (by Gamma et al) and The Sun Certified Java Developer Exam with J2SE 1.4 (by Habibi & Patternson). The former book is good if you are a newbie like me, and the latter has a useful sample exam. Unfortunately, I did not find out about the Design Patterns book until after I passed my exam
Don't rely on the sample exam too much - it is mainly there to get a feel of what the completed application might do (the SCJD exam specs are very vague).
Of course, you will spend hours looking through these forums for help on SCJD too.
I spent about 5 weeks working on the SCJD. 2 weeks to read and learn about the relevant technologies and design my project, 2 weeks to write the code, and 1 week to test my application. I think I totaled 180-200 hours working on the exam (having gone in cold, knowing nothing about nothing). Your mileage may vary, as other people have reported differing lengths of time required to complete the project. You can see my thread about it here.
As for difficulty, the entire project was more difficult than any of my assignments from my most difficult undergraduate CS classes. However, I do not feel it to be a great order of magnitude more difficult. I was told the exam is more difficult than an assignment you may receive in a Master's program, but I have no frame of reference so I cannot comment on that.
In total, the 2 certifications cost me:
$150 (for SCJP)
$250 (for SCJD assignment)
$150 (for SCJD essay)
$35 (for Sierra & Bates book)
$35 (for Habibi & Patternson's book)
$35 (for Design Patterns book, which I did not know about)
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$655 (total)
Plus around 200 hours worth of study and preparation time. Hope that helps you out.
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