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There seems to be a number of lost messages. Are they likely to come back any time soon?

And they disappeared just as I was starting to get Aggregation versus Composition in the OO/Patterns... forum.

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Wow... there are A LOT of lost messages! It looks like all of them from earlier today at a minimum. Are they gone or is this just a cgi glitch?
 
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Saloon's data disk crashed. The data has been restored from backup, but there are about 18 hours of lost posts. It's unclear at this point whether that data is recoverable. We'll give an update when we know more.
 
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Can I get these information?
which OS is javaranch hosted on? Which is the app server? which is the DB?
how often is the data backup done?

This if just for my information.

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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Saloon's data disk crashed. The data has been restored from backup, but there are about 18 hours of lost posts.



I think I was the first one to face this error when I got the message that saloon's hard disk has no space, but still I was able to post messages.I had posted a message in Javaranch forum about this but that is also lost

I got the this error meassage might be of some use


An error has Occurred:

The SMTP server returned the following message:
4524.4.5 Insufficient disk space; try again later

The SMTP server rejected the email address the UBB tried to send mail as (BIG Moose Saloon<moosesaloon@javaranch.com>).
Please ensure this is a valid email address for this domain name.

Please inform the board administration of this error so that they may fix the problem.Thank You!




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[ April 20, 2005: Message edited by: Shailesh Chandra ]
 
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which OS is javaranch hosted on?

Linux

Which is the app server?

Apache

which is the DB?

None

how often is the data backup done?

Every 24 hours
[ April 20, 2005: Message edited by: Marilyn de Queiroz ]
 
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How do you manage without a DB ???

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So can I repost my query that was lost yesterday again?
 
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How do you manage without a DB ???



Should be using XML. Is it? If yes, how is concurrency handled. Can someone explain me please?

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[ April 20, 2005: Message edited by: Sripathi Krishnamurthy ]
 
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Originally posted by Ashish Chopra:
So can I repost my query that was lost yesterday again?



as Ernest said "It's unclear at this point whether that data is recoverable"

It is better you repost as there is not further information.

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Originally posted by Sripathi Krishnamurthy:

Should be using XML. Is it? If yes, how is concurrency handled. Can someone explain me please?



AFAIK the forum software writes a file containing the flat text of the message in a custom format. Not XML AFAIK, the system predates XML.
There is no concurrency, this is Perl we're talking about
 
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Where's a good old J2EE run forum with a MySQL database backend when you need one?
 
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I'm sure the powers at be would gladly accept a donation intended to fully underwrite the installation of a RAID-10 setup on the host servers.

Those of us unable or unwilling to make that donation should sit back and be grateful that a tape backup system was in place and that only 18 hours of dialog was lost.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Bourdeaux:
Where's a good old J2EE run forum



That's just it... all the superior forum software (in my opinion) is written in languages other than Java.
 
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So, why don't we write an all-Java forum that competes?
 
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Don't get me wrong... I have always been pleased with the Saloon. My comment was more of a wisecrack than a complaint.

But Mr. Carman has a good point. Why don't we write an all-Java forum that competes? Both the technology and knowledge exist... I know, I know, nobody has the time. But if someone wanted to spearhead a project such as this and needed contributers/editors/testers, I bet they could find them here at the Ranch (myself included!).
 
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We've been down this road before.

It's not as simple as just writing the software, though, guys. One major stumbling block is getting all the old data into the new software, with links, smilies, and formatting all intact. Neither simple nor computationally easy. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it seems to be the stumbling block that's stopped efforts like this in the past.

Besides the mvnsaloon software, we've gone so far as to install and customize other Java board software in the past. There are some options out there these days. But the project stalls out when we get to the data transfer issue.

Another issue that's hard is testing. I'm personally not sure how to assure that the new software would scale as well as UBB has. The Saloon handles a lot of traffic, and there's a lot of old data. Don't forget that this site operates on a shoestring budget. What if we got the whole thing running and then found out that it couldn't keep up? Proper load testing would be a big project -- and again, not an especially fun one. It's hard to get volunteers to do un-fun work.

In any case, it would be a lot of work to see this through. Note that about once a month, someone in this very forum gets fired up to start such a project, but then disappears.

What are the benefits, anyway? It could be more customizeable, and have better search, and we could have a more tractable email system. But as far as its day to day operation, most of the staff is pretty attached to the current look-and-feel; we wouldn't want a lot of new features that would change the dynamic of the board. We don't want avatars, or file uploading, or many of the other major selling points of existing BB software -- it just wouldn't fit in here.

I think the truth is that at this point, the costs still outweigh the benefits.
 
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Has anyone ever looked at JForum?
 
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Originally posted by Paul Bourdeaux:
Where's a good old J2EE run forum with a MySQL database backend when you need one?



The outcome would have been the same if the disk holding the MySql database burned out.
 
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Has anyone ever looked at JForum?



Yes
 
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