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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Dirk, in fact, is quite busy on his work, and thus, be patient for that. _
Nick
Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
. People complaining a lot about not receiving the books.
. Past winners page not updated for alomost 3 months.
. A promotion supposed to have been reserved did not even start(for may10)
. Winners for a week not announced untill well into the next week.
Originally posted by Balaji Loganathan:
Looking at your above posts, it seems like you are more worried about book promotions stuff than helping greenhorns for their techinical questions.
[ May 13, 2005: Message edited by: Balaji Loganathan ]
Kishore
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Originally posted by Max Habibi:
Kishore,
Let me be more blunt: if you're not comfortable here, you may find that you're comfortable elsewhere. Otherwise please
be patient be aware that you're a guest here don't make us regret offering free books
Kishore
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
I would like to take your comment out of a rush to answer. It can also be taken as insulting, but I am not going that route. It is the nature of we Indians to take these kind of mean conclusions, I guess.
Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
BTW if you are so enthusiastic; why don't you takeup the book-promotions responsibility aswell(unless you are searching for a job)
Originally posted by Balaji Loganathan:
No Thanks, I dont need your advice or suggestions at this moment and I do mind my business.
I repeat what Max said plus "we will try to do our best".[/font>
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Originally posted by Max Habibi:
we could just choose to ban certain people from book promotions.
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Originally posted by Max Habibi:
[qb]Personally, the way book promotions are going; I would vote for getting rid of them all together.
Kishore, I'm sure we'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves. OTOH, we could just choose to ban certain people from book promotions.
M
[ May 13, 2005: Message edited by: Max Habibi ][/QB]
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
I would say, both the moderators and ranchers have no obligation for any events, as stated at the book promotion.
I believe the moderators have already tried their best to help the ranchers, not only by offering book promotions, but also answering questions, giving suggestions, etc.
As Max said, if you feel this makes you uncomfortable, it is better to find another place that make you comfort. Otherwise, just accept this as is. If you are one of the moderators for holding such responsibility, you will understand.
Or you can create another site, and hold the book promotions, would you consider this? I will be happy to join your new site.
Nick
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
Your comments may sure impress somebody
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Kishore,
Let us speak for a moment about you and me. Nobody else. Just the two of us.
First me. I own this site. Mine all mine. I can do whatever I like. I can give books away if I like. I can turn the whole site off if I like. I can ban people if I like. I can even change the rules on anything, willy nilly. I don't even need a reason. I can cheat. I can change my mind. I can give books to my friends. I can keep books. I can keep books from people I don't like. Most importantly, I'm a lazy bastard and I can choose to do nothing at all because I have other things to do.
Now let's talk about you. You don't own this site.
Now let's talk about Dirk. He's has done me this huuuuuuge favor of facilitating these book giveaways. I used to do it and I know it is a huge task to do week after week with people constantly bitching about how their personal greed has not been satiated. And the pay is zero. Nothing. About one author in five will say "thanks!" and about one winner in four will say "thanks!" - but that's it. When I did it, I figured it took about 20 hours per week. One "thanks" a week is not much for so much work and ugly messages. But it seemed really cool and, well, I liked doing it.
So when you say things other than "thanks!" or "Dirk is cool!" or "I love the weekly giveaway!" it makes me think "How can I, the owner of this site, make things smoother for Dirk, to whom I am soooooo grateful?" ..... And look at that mention of banning somebody from future giveaways .....
So, now I'm curious ..... will your next post be full of apology and kind words for Dirk? Or will you test my patience?
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
BTW personally I feel it should not take something like 20 hours to do the book promotion stuff, run the lottery and post a winner post on the specific forum.
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Originally posted by Shailesh Chandra:
There is something in this thread I don't have word for, but is not comfortable.
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BTW personally I feel it should not take something like 20 hours to do the book promotion stuff, run the lottery and post a winner post on the specific forum.
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Originally posted by Marilyn de Queiroz:
I think that Balaji and Max and others are trying to say that Dirk does care and is not lazy.
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Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
Kishore, I think you have brought to attention an important fact: book promotions aren't currently working as smoothly as they did in the past. I don't think this is really anyones fault, it's just that some things have changed, such as who can invest how much time into it, for example. And now we need to find out how to adapt.
So, although I agree that book promotions are not the heart of the Ranch, and although we are all volunteering here, it's something that is in need of improvement. You may rest assured that we are working on it. The best you can do to help us is to show a little bit appreciation and patience. Thanks!
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Originally posted by Marilyn de Queiroz:
I agree that this thread is not comfortable.
But Kishore indicates that he sees what he believes is a problem. It sounds like he is saying that the problem exists because Dirk either doesn't care or is lazy.
I think that constant complaining in public about not receiving a gift is not adding to the friendly atmosphere.
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Originally posted by Marilyn de Queiroz:
I agree that this thread is not comfortable.
Originally posted by a greenhorn in JDBC Forum:
I hate having to go elsewhere... Non-rancher's are scary
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:
I am not blaming the other moderators responses, but I would like them to see the present situation and retrospect their responses to me.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
But only if you thank Dirk!
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Originally posted by Shailesh Chandra:
agreed...that comments are expressed in better way. I am really depress to see this thread.
The way this thread has turned up into individual expression of feeling.
First time I have found moderators very strict on a rancher,and this doesn't make this place friendly.
A rancher being aggressive can be expected but a moderator I don't think so
There is something in this thread I don't have word for, but is not comfortable.
We know that we are guest here, but top of that we have own willingness and feeling (that we are part of this) with Javaranch, which pull us to the forum
Shailesh
Originally posted by Anselm Paulinus:
Never mind
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
But only if you thank Dirk!
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