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Susmita Ganguly
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Joined: Feb 05, 2001
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Does anybody has an idea about how much java certification is worth in software job market of Sydney ? Also what is the demand of java programmers in Sydney or Melbourne ?
Prabhjyot Singh
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Joined: Dec 28, 2000
Posts: 22
Hi,
It very much depends upon your overall development experience.
It is not bad, I would say although the market in Sydney is more Microsoft biased.I am a Masters student in UNSW and am form Delhi.
rgds,
Prabhjyot
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nan sh
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Joined: Jan 05, 2001
Posts: 167
My current job is about programming, but using sort of
basic language, if I get SCJP without any Java experience, can I
find Java programming job in Sydney?


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Prabhjyot Singh
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Hi Nan,
Yes, I think it would help you in a big way, especially when you have some exposure to other java/OO related stuff eg jdbc,html,rmi.If u r in Sydney, we can be intouch...
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nan sh
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Hi Prabhjyot,
"some exposure to othe java/OO..", you mean learning these stuff
or have some work experience?
I have no idea where I can find entry-level java programmer
job, all agencies ask for experience, Somebody in this forum
said doing some "own projects", My question is where can I find
someone who will be interested to have look at my "own projects".
Susmita Ganguly
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Joined: Feb 05, 2001
Posts: 8

I know Sydney marked is Microsoft biased. I too work on Microsoft platform and want to change. I have an overall 7/8 yrs software develoment experience. But not in Java.
I want to know what is my chance of getting a java job after I get certified.
Thanks
Susmita
nan sh
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Joined: Jan 05, 2001
Posts: 167
This is the first time I heard about Sydney market is
Microsoft biased. This reminds me of what my boss said to me that java based
three tie pattern system does not mature yet, he said only
1 of 100 company using it, i assume he was talking about
Sydney. Anybody know the % in US and E.
Richard Agnes
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Joined: Feb 12, 2001
Posts: 22
if you're looking for work in Sydney try checking this site out:
http://www.itjobs.fairfax.com.au/
it should give you an idea of what's available, also covers melbourne too I think.
Susmita Ganguly
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Thanks Richard.
v ch
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Joined: Dec 12, 2002
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Hi,
I am a skilled migrant visa holder and trying to search a job in melbourne.I have more than 2 yrs of experience on java/J2EE technologies.Till now no body has responded positively.Currently i am based in new delhi.
Can any one please advice on market scenario of J2EE jobs in melbourne.How much they are paid and what all skills are in demand over there.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
vc
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Prerna Bansal
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I have been working as a java developer in sydney for the past two years. I was recently looking for a job change and its a tough market out there.
90% of the companies are looking for senior developers with more than 5 years of experience.
Most of the companies also want "Australian experience" and nobody cares about any certifications any longer, they just want solid experience with well-known companies.
I am not trying to discourage anybody here but I think without any industry experince it would be really difficult to get a job in sydney.
vineet kapoor
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Joined: Dec 16, 2002
Posts: 2
Hi Prerna,
Thanks for reply.What i am planning is to do som e masters course in Software Engg. from melbourne(as skilled migration unit has nominated me,so i have to land up in victoria).So do u think after getting a postgraduate qualification will help me in getting a job.As i have valid visa for five years.
Currently i hold Bachelor of Engineering in Electronics and Communication.
Or any other suggestion from ur end.

waiting for ur reply
vineet
Prerna Bansal
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Vineet,
Once you reach melbourne, you can keep looking for work and you might just be lucky.
In the meantime I don't think a postgraduate degree can do you any harm. And one can always hope that by the time you finish your degree, the job situation would have improved.
Many companies here also have a graduate recruitement process, you can check their websites for more details. You can try for internship along with your postgraduate studies, the pay would be very less but you will get good experience.
- Prerna
Ferry Widjaja
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Joined: Oct 25, 2001
Posts: 15
"...90% of the companies are looking for senior developers with more than 5 years of experience.
Most of the companies also want "Australian experience" and nobody cares about any certifications any longer, they just want solid experience with well-known companies..."
I think what Prerna said is quite right. sydney is hard place to hunt. Cert, PostGrad or 2 years experience dont really count in Sydney, so i dont know what to say from here, except some lucks may be?
However, does anyone know the demand for Java Certified Developers in Sydney? and also what is the number of Java Certified Developer in Sydney...I would love to know.
THANK YOU
David O'Meara
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Joined: Mar 06, 2001
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My view is that the Sydney market is already worse than the US or European markets. The available work was never that big during the boom, but was already saturated with workers.
It's definitely a employers market in Oz. Those in the good jobs are fighting hard to hold them because no new ones are opening.
Certification has never been a big thing in Australia. Some larger companies pay attention to the MS or Sun certifications, but most wouldn't know what to do with it.
I'd have to agree with Prerna Bansal: it's not hell in Sydney, but it's not great either.
The other thing to realise about the Australian market is that it tends to behave like a 'dampened' version of the US market. The peaks and trough are not as severe, but it tends to lag in response by several months. This means that even if the US/European market picked up again now, it would be 3 months before the Australian IT market looked healthy again.
David O'Meara
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Joined: Mar 06, 2001
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Just realised the question was about Melbourne too.
The word I've heard from friends there and from other industry sources is that the Melbourne IT market is practically dead in the water. Apparently it makes the US market look good.
Also heard that some international companies with offices in Melbourne are shutting up shop.
Aren't I all doom and gloom!
Guess I'm just saying everyone is just trying to keep their heads above water.
nan sh
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Joined: Jan 05, 2001
Posts: 167
I heard a IT uni graduate speed half year find a java programming job, Aus$30k, she works long hours every day and six days a week just try to keep the job
have look this;
http://www.jobnet.com.au/ext/site/jobtrendsstats.jsp?in_sessionid=&catName=Programming+Languages&in_cat_id=1&in_statid=1&statName=Java
Prerna Bansal
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Joined: May 01, 2001
Posts: 8
However, does anyone know the demand for Java Certified Developers in Sydney? ]

I am a Sun Certified Java Developer. IMHO in the current job market where employers can choose between thousands of candidates for a single position, experience and only experience can make them notice your CV. 2-3 years ago certifiation without any experience would get you a job, but not today.
and also what is the number of Java Certified Developer in Sydney...I would love to know. ]

It would be difficult to find this sort of information. But I assume there would be a fair number of people with certifications.
Ferry Widjaja
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Joined: Oct 25, 2001
Posts: 15
hi ,
jobnet?, i kinda doubt the correctness of that Statistics from Jobnet, because of the Recruitment Agencies advertising...i just dont like them somehow, the story behind it ...
"one company put up a posn (on the net/newspaper), about 4 or 5 agencies put up that ad again in the internet (including Jobnet) i guess...the worse thing, some companies would not accept agents but..." anyway, please give your opinion on this...THANK YOU
vineet kapoor
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Joined: Dec 16, 2002
Posts: 2
Can anybody tell ,is 40k is respectable amount to stay in melbourne
Balaji Loganathan
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Originally posted by vineet kapoor:
Can anybody tell ,is 40k is respectable amount to stay in melbourne

Yes.
the house rent may vary from 700 to 1000 aud in decent suburbs(with car park),other expenses depends on your own culture. if u r single, 40k is really not bad.


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