File APIs for Java Developers
Manipulate DOC, XLS, PPT, PDF and many others from your application.
The moose likes Programmer Certification (SCJP/OCPJP) and the fly likes How is SCJP book by Kathy and Bert Big Moose Saloon
  Search | Java FAQ | Recent Topics | Flagged Topics | Hot Topics | Zero Replies
Register / Login
JavaRanch » Java Forums » Certification » Programmer Certification (SCJP/OCPJP)
Bookmark "How is SCJP book by Kathy and Bert" Watch "How is SCJP book by Kathy and Bert" New topic

How is SCJP book by Kathy and Bert

Mohammad Mujeeb

Joined: Mar 29, 2006
Posts: 3
Hello friends,
Have taken SCJP 1.2 and was planning to take up 1.5 upgrade.
Is the SCJP book by Kathy and Bert Bates at par with Head first JSP and servlets or are there better books available?
Would appreciate any response.

Mohammad Mujeeb
Jesper de Jong
Java Cowboy
Saloon Keeper

Joined: Aug 16, 2005
Posts: 14114

The SCJP book by Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates, also often called the "K&B" book, is more or less the "standard" book for preparing for the SCJP - most people seem to be using that book. It covers everything you need to know for the SCJP exam.

Note: You probably know this, but just to make it clear: SCJP is not about JSPs and servlets, so books like Head First JSP and Servlets are not useful for preparing for SCJP.
[ December 18, 2007: Message edited by: Jesper Young ]

Java Beginners FAQ - JavaRanch SCJP FAQ - The Java Tutorial - Java SE 7 API documentation
Scala Notes - My blog about Scala
Cory Max
Ranch Hand

Joined: Jul 20, 2005
Posts: 83
I have been using the K&B book for a while. The book has been very good. It comes highly recommended.

PS. I write my exam on Thursday, so haven't passed the exam yet... but through study in the K&B book only, I am getting 80%ish on the practice exams from Sun.

Hope this helps.


There are only 10 types of people in this world... Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Kelvin Chenhao Lim
Ranch Hand

Joined: Oct 20, 2007
Posts: 513
Originally posted by Mohammad Mujeeb:
Is the SCJP book by Kathy and Bert Bates at par with Head first JSP and servlets or are there better books available?

Well, Kathy and Bert also co-wrote Head First Servlets & JSP, so you're definitely in very safe hands.

SCJP 5.0
Matthew Walton

Joined: Dec 18, 2007
Posts: 12
Actually I don't think it's a very good book. Its main redeeming feature is that it rather brutally covers what you need for the exam and very little else - where it does diverge one is tempted to wonder why what they're diverging into isn't on the exam, since it's usually something fairly critical. It also has a CD with a mock exam (which is harder than the real exam due to not telling you how many options you need to choose for each question), which is undoubtedly useful.

Unfortunately it also seems unsure of its target audience, and there are places where it talks at length of the sort of thing any programmer should know (like deadlocks), but other places where it assumes you already know a fair bit and just want to get the details on how Java does things. There are also a few rather dubious descriptions (no, StringBuffer.delete does NOT take a zero-indexed and then a one-indexed parameter - the second one is zero-indexed and means 'up to but not including this character'. A hairsplitting distinction perhaps, but one that's much less confusing).

Also unfortunately I can't recommend a better one, but I would recommend reading quite widely on various Java topics, especially anything you find difficult. Somewhere out there is probably an explanation which makes more sense to you. It's certainly been helping me in my preparations.

What do you mean, 'only String gets to have overloaded operators'?
Lucy Hummel
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2005
Posts: 232

I started reading this book and I think that the authors wrote so that you do not fall asleep. That is why I like it.

My colleague does not like this style. She prefers literature that are similiar to JavaDoc and not like comics.

To stress each person might have his/her opinion.

----------------------------------<br />| SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, SCJD |<br />----------------------------------
ashni Prakash
Ranch Hand

Joined: Dec 05, 2006
Posts: 50
I read java tutorials from sun first.
Now i am referring K&B book.Finding it very useful and learnt lots of things.It helps in analysing code very well.
Panseer Kaur
Ranch Hand

Joined: Nov 01, 2007
Posts: 44
I personally started with ExamCram 2 for the SCJP and I found it horrible in prep for the real test. It just doesn't teach a lot of the intricate details (especially with things like declaration and initialization).

Really there is a lot to learn, what I like about the K&B book is that it lays out the rules right upfront as far as what you need to keep in mind. That I find a lot easier than reading the java language spec and trying to decipher what's important over and over.

This experiance really convinced me that the book you choose or the help you get definitely determines a lot of how hard or easy things are. The Java Lang Specification is online for free at sun, but still I find the K&B book more than worth it.
gurpreet singh
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2006
Posts: 38
when i was preparing for scjp 1.4 i had considered Khalid Mughal second edition and KB for 1.4. I would say dont completly rely on KB for exam preparation.

Mohammad Mujeeb

Joined: Mar 29, 2006
Posts: 3
Thanks for the replies.
Which other book(s) would best compliment KB if I would need to score above 95% in SCJP 1.5
I agree. Here's the link:
subject: How is SCJP book by Kathy and Bert