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is java really dying ?????

sachin dabhade
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Joined: Mar 10, 2001
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the industry today is not seems to be in favour of java.
is java really dying??
i am an engineering student and was intrested in making my career in java and web stuffs.
but the slowdown in market is making me think for change of my option.
i want to know how secure the java field is?
is their a long term scope for java?
altough the dtocoms are failures but still B2B and applications can be sufficient for the suffice of java i suppose
plz share your opinion.
and also guide me for i shall continue with java or turn back towards c,c++?
is their a good scope for servlets/jsp??
plz reply
sachin
Cindy Glass
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This has been discussed ad nauseum in the Jobs forum (where such talk belongs):
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000326.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000335.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000348.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000341.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000305.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000330.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000308.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000329.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000300.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000297.html
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000301.html
I am closing this thread. If you want to continue one of these conversations or open a new one do it over there.


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Saran Vel
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Joined: Nov 03, 2000
Posts: 111
Yes.. Java is Dying....! It's in ICU ward.. All doctors give up.. they cann't save / cure it.. Java is in very serious condition.. not even a miracle can save java..
So it will die soon.. if possible come to the condolences..
People shuld throw away their java certificates.. all companies, which developed their applications in Java, removing all of their packages and replacing with C++ or C#..(guess whatever u want)
sun micro systems seriously discussing to bring another language called 'TEA'.
u know.. javaranch going to be called as 'Sava'Ranch here after..
since java is going to die..
I'm really sick of these terms.. i donn't know where these people found these terms.. "Java is dying", "Java is REALLY dying",
"Java is dyEing", "Java is Dead..", "IS JAVA DEAD???", "Is Java Really Dead"... Is Java is a donkey or monkey or for the worst case is it a human being.. for that to DIE..?
Comeon.. gimme a break.. please..


Saran
Sun Certified Java2 Programmer
Shan Karawita
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 83
Hi ,
Hey Saran , I think you have a great sence of humor ! I ejnoyed your post lot .
Let me add something here with my own thoughts.I couldn't understand why every body worrying about the shattering of this U.S market.Is IT ( or the future of Java) totaly depends on the America ?.I cannot understand this.
I love java b'cos I believe it's the best & pure OO language & the best langauge to start with.I have 3 years of experience in clipper programming before I learn Java. (I've used little bit of OO concepts of the clipper language too).Now I'm working in a leading Sri Lankan IT company ( belongs to # 1 Holding company in Sri Lanka ) as a Java programmer.In our Java division there are about 40 people.The main business line of our company includes body shopping & project handling.At the moment we're handling 3 large projects on EJB's of Scandinavian countries.
What my company does is hiring trainee level prgrammers & train them on specific technology.our company has funded us for our SCJP certification & 90 % of the divsions programmer are certified !.The next target of ours is to become certified developers & Enterprise Architects & company is going to fund for it.My question is why comapany is going to spend lot of money to train the pople in Java technology & spend lot of money to make them certified.Because they've realizeed that the demand for Java proffessionals are very high.
There are few indians are working with us & they've been paid well by the company.For a intermediate level java programmer , company pays around Rs 60000/= per month.(about US$ 710 ).I think this is good enough to spend a better life in south Asia.
Regards,
Shan Karawita
Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Fine Shan,
Call me to Lanka, get me a job, and i will be happier than ever...................... Think about those people, who have just started their careers and want a job, I am SCJP and still waiting for an *entry* level position. Nobody even looks at my "SUN" certificate? Sometimes, I feel real looser!!!
Bye,
Tualha Khan
[This message has been edited by Tony Alicea (edited March 31, 2001).]


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Tony Alicea
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Tualha:
Do you have a personal Web page with your Java student work on it that prospective employers can see? It doesn't have to be production-level apps, just simple but non-trivial applets and apps that you wrote while you were preparing for the Certification exam.
What!? That you didn't do any!? ( Just kiddin'. I don't know that.)


Tony Alicea
Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
sachin dabhade
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Joined: Mar 10, 2001
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altough it might not be a much serious problem for you gurus,
but its a crutial problem for me.
i will be completing my graduation in june 2001.
Had thought of making career in java,but the time making me think for change of my option.
i know if the basic concepts are clear,it would not be a problem for me to switch to another
platform or language but i love java.
i want to know what shall i do.I need your suggestion.
will java survive??or shall i switch to other language
(if yes whats hot )
i think you are the only people who who know the real things as you are in
the industry and not a students like me.
please reply
Tony Alicea
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Sachin:
First of all, you don't mention what is your graduation about. PhD? MS? BSc? In what? English Literature or Physics? Maybe Computer Science?
Java is not going away anytime soon, the same way that the Web (and the Internet before it) is NOT going away so...
Web development is going to be around for a long time. The language that you are asking for..., is it the Web development language of the moment (Java), or the language of the future (Java? OK, maybe C#, Ha ha!)
The answer for you is simply JAVA. Because Java is a 6-year old language and C# is a ZERO years-old language. C# is a Java look-alike language so it would be VERY easy for Java programmers to switch to it. Easier than for current Micro$haft programmers of Visual Basic (VB) and Inactive Server Pages (ASP). If you read the literature, VB and ASP programmers were disappointed to say the least when they learned that their old programs won't work in the "new" .Net framework and that they have to learn REAL OOP.
We Java programmers ALREADY know that.
So learn Java as best you can and as soon as possible. Pass Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform Certification with over 95% and that in itself will help you get interviews. A lot of companies look for that if the applicant does not have professional experience.
I repeat, getting a high score in Sun's Certification exam WILL help you get interviews. A lot of companies look for that (especially with a high passing score).
In the meantime, while you study Java and for the coveted Certification, you can publish your non-trivial student exercises on a public Web site which is free.
sachin dabhade
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Joined: Mar 10, 2001
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
Sachin:
First of all, you don't mention what is your graduation about. PhD? MS? BSc? In what? English Literature or Physics? Maybe Computer Science?
Java is not going away anytime soon, the same way that the Web (and the Internet before it) is [b]NOT
going away so...
Web development is going to be around for a long time. The language that you are asking for..., is it the Web development language of the moment (Java), or the language of the future (Java? OK, maybe C#, Ha ha!)
The answer for you is simply JAVA. Because Java is a 6-year old language and C# is a ZERO years-old language. C# is a Java look-alike language so it would be VERY easy for Java programmers to switch to it. Easier than for current Micro$haft programmers of Visual Basic (VB) and Inactive Server Pages (ASP). If you read the literature, VB and ASP programmers were disappointed to say the least when they learned that their old programs won't work in the "new" .Net framework and that they have to learn REAL OOP.
We Java programmers ALREADY know that.
So learn Java as best you can and as soon as possible. Pass Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform Certification with over 95% and that in itself will help you get interviews. A lot of companies look for that if the applicant does not have professional experience.
I repeat, getting a high score in Sun's Certification exam WILL help you get interviews. A lot of companies look for that (especially with a high passing score).
In the meantime, while you study Java and for the coveted Certification, you can publish your non-trivial student exercises on a public Web site which is free.
[/B]


i am an engineering student(computer science and engineering) from reputed engineering college of india.
(government college of engineering aurangabad ,maharashtra,india)
your reply had really solved my problem.
i was very much bothered for my java career but i feel its safe.
i know it will not be difficult for me to switch to other language but parting from
java is making me feel nervous some time.
dear sir, as a student what things should i know?
i have a knowledge of java basics,servlets,networking,jdbc,jsp etc.
what else shd. i know to make an entry as a fresher in the industry?
are the technologies like corba,ejb,rmi expected from fresher?
i just have a theorotical knowledge of it and zero practical experience.
please reply
sachin

[This message has been edited by sachin dabhade (edited April 01, 2001).]
Shan Karawita
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 83
Hi Tualha ,
I'm affraind I'm not the Recruitment Manager here in our company JKCS .But what I can do is give you the link of our companies web site.You could apply for any post available under Job Oppertunities.
http://www.jkcsworld.com/jkcs/index.htm
Good Luck,

Hope to see you in Sri Lanka .....
Regards,
Shan.
[This message has been edited by Shan Karawita (edited April 01, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Shan Karawita (edited April 01, 2001).]
 
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