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SCJP will not help to get a job

Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
Posts: 1870
Hello
dear friends It is true that in the market, clearing SCJP with 98% or anything will not help u people to get the job. You must have an experience of minimum of 1 year so dont waste ur time in clearing SCJP as I did and put ur work in doing some good projects on advance Java so that may help u in finding a good job.
Sameer Jamal
ramani natarajan
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Joined: Mar 28, 2001
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Friends,
There is a way out of this predicament. Go to the hundreds of independent professional sites that list contract work by the thousands. Pick a project, submit your bid and work(preferably pick java jobs) as you are learning for your java certification.
Ramani
Mike H Liu
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Joined: Mar 27, 2001
Posts: 2
Hi Ramani,
can you give a list of those professional sites?
Thx in advance.
Mike
jeyaveera pandian
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Joined: Sep 29, 2000
Posts: 39
Hi Ramani,
Send me too about such sites
Thanks in advance,
Anbudan,
K.Jeyaveerapandian
Vineet Sharma
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Joined: Dec 30, 2000
Posts: 51
Dear Ramani,
Please send me the list of such websites
Thanks
Vineetm@aol.com
Marcus Green
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I am curious as to how Sameer comes to this conclusion, I personally know people who have found certificaiton to be an asset when finding a first Java job. It was far from being the only reason they got the job, but it was a significant help.
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Val Dra
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Joined: Jan 26, 2001
Posts: 439
I was also certified but for different reasons, one of them for job ofcourse the other one is just to test my knowldge of the language. I am doing developers exam now when i have time and working on different projects as well. having certification hasn't hurt anyone yet.


Val SCJP <BR>going for SCJD
Rishi Kumar
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Joined: Mar 28, 2001
Posts: 19
Could you give me the links to those sites please?
Because I am having the same problem in finding a job with no experience.
Thanks

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Jane Griscti
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Joined: Aug 30, 2000
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Hi,
I'm going to move this over to the Job Discussion forum. Not really related to Certification Results.
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Marcus Green
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Y'all may have quite a wait before you get those site links
Tony Alicea
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"It is true that in the market, clearing SCJP with 98% or anything will not help u people to get the job"

Of course it doesn't! Who said that it would?
It did help me a lot in getting two INTERVIEWS. Then at the interviews I got myself two job offers.
Too many people here believe in miracles and worse, expect them to happen...
My $0.02


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Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
Michael Hildner
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
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Originally posted by Tony Alicea:
It did help me a lot in getting two INTERVIEWS. Then at the interviews I got myself two job offers.

Bravo!

[This message has been edited by Michael Hildner (edited March 30, 2001).]
Tony Alicea
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Thank You, Thank You!
Everybody please seat down now!
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Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
Posts: 1870
friends
I just want to say that project experience has got a much more value than SCJP. I went to few recuriters and they said that being a SCJP is immaterial if u have got a good project experience then you are welcome
Mr. ramani everyone is waiting for those sites please list the sites
sameer
Tony Alicea
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And I just want to say that if you don't have any project experience, it's much better to have the Sun Java Programmer Certification versus nothing at all.
zaeem masood ashar
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Joined: Mar 17, 2001
Posts: 54

Yeah.....thats a real problem. Everyone want a year or two of experience. Who sez "There is always a first time". Looking forward for links to the sites
Zaeem
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srinath
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Joined: Jan 02, 2001
Posts: 1
It is time Ramani you should come with those sites ,as there are plenty of SCJP are waiting to know them . And jump on them
Michael Pearson
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Joined: Mar 11, 2001
Posts: 351
Tony,
As always your comments are right on.
Here�s my $0.02!
The SJCP is important because it establishes a minimum understanding of Java syntax. That might get you an interview if you couple it with a good cover letter and a little targeted experience. Your first job will be the toughest you get in your life. You will earn it.
I think young people and career changers need to remember to network. Many jobs aren�t advertised and that�s especially true for entry-level opportunities. At least it�s true in the U.S. User�s groups, job fairs, professional organizations, and even church are places to meet people that work for companies you want to be employed by.
Be creative, be positive, and most of all know what it is you want to do. I can�t emphasis enough that a cover letter and resume make a statement about an individual. If you describe yourself and your skills to meet the requirements of the job you might get an interview. If you know someone that already works for the company you are applying to your chances of getting an interview skyrocket.
The SJCP is the beginning of your career training, not the end of it. Read everything related to your professional interests. The more you know about trends and peripheral topics the better. In the long run you�ll get hired for an entry-level position because of your potential to be promoted, not because you can do entry-level work for the next 40 years.
Mike
Sameer Jamal
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Well one site is hotdispatch.com try that untill ramani will come with the list
Tony Alicea
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Good story, Michael.



Another thing that can help is TEMP-TO-PERMANENT (TTP) positions. I.E., "Try Before You Buy", if you're not afraid of that. It worked for me. I wanted "permanent" but possibly because I did not have professional experience, I was offered instead that type of position (TTP). Then they offered me to join fully 2.5 months later.
ryan burgdorfer
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Joined: Jan 24, 2001
Posts: 219
Originally posted by ramani natarajan:
Friends,
There is a way out of this predicament. Go to the hundreds of independent professional sites that list contract work by the thousands. Pick a project, submit your bid and work(preferably pick java jobs) as you are learning for your java certification.
Ramani

What makes you all think that he will go through the work of compiling a list of such sites, and emailing it to every one of you? Or even post it here?
Let me give you all a clue: Go to a search engine and locate the sites YOURSELVES...
(You don't need me to post a list of search engine sites, now do you? )
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Tom Hennigan
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Joined: Feb 25, 2001
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Woohoo! Supporters stand up! One great feature of the certification scheme is that it disciplines you to stick to an in-depth study of a single language. Of all the college computer science programming language classes that I took, perhaps 18 altogether, I never worked so hard to learn any single language, although I interrupted my quest of C++ to do Java.
I taught C++ and Java in evenings at a community college, even the top students in my classes never approached complete coverage of the fundamentals and syntax of the language - and some already had several years' experience as programmers!
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