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Are you Certified but have no experience?

Angela Poynton
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Joined: Mar 02, 2000
Posts: 3143
Hello All!
I have an opportunity for those of you out there who are Sun Certified Programmers / Developers and are having problems finding work because you don't have any project experience.
My site has nothing on it right now. I'd like to give you the chance to help me change that!
The site is currently hosted at which means we can use Servlets, JSP, JDBC amongst other things.
Basically this is how it'll work.
1. If you're interested and meet the criteria (detailed below) e-mail me and let me know the following details.
a) How I can see your certifaction results on the Sun database? (To clarify that you are certified).
b) How long you've been looking for Java development work since being certified. What kind of work are you looking for?
c) Any other projects you have completed (eg. What stage are you at in the Cattle Drive? )Do you have your own site?
d) The name under which you are registered at Javaranch.

2. If you meet my criteria you'll be shortlisted and I'll e-mail you to let you know and ask a few more questions.
3. Those chosen will be in a kind of resource pool and as soon as an idea comes to me for the site I'll ask anyone I think is interested if they want to do it.
The projects will be small - medium sized .. nothing as fantastic as a whole bulletin board just yet.
So they will almost all be one-person jobs with me acting as a Project Manager.
You will be expected to produce a design (using UML) before writing any code. The code will be produced according to the Chicken Coop Style guide I WILL nitpick and when you commit to a project you should remain commited until I am completely happy and your work has been put up on the page. The completed code will be considered open source ... so you won't own the copywrite on any code you write. However if you fully compelte a task you will be acknowledged on the site for your work and you have use me as a reference on your resume.
The criteria (please understand my aim is to help as many people as I can but I have to set some restrictions or I'll not be able to choose)
1. Must be SCJP / SCJD certified and able to prove it.
2. Have not been able to get Java development work because of lack of experience.
That's all I ask ... I have other criteria I'll use to shortlist people.

Pounding at a thick stone wall won't move it, sometimes, you need to step back to see the way around.
Angela Poynton
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Joined: Mar 02, 2000
Posts: 3143
Excellent news bill bozeman has agreed to also offer opportunities at his site. ... so there should be lots of work available ... do still use the process described above to apply though ... bill and I will sort out the division of work.
Joseph Russell
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Joined: Jan 08, 2001
Posts: 290
Very cool. What a great idea... As soon as I pass the SCJP in a few weeks I'll join up.
Tony Alicea

Joined: Jan 30, 2000
Posts: 3226
Congrats Angela & Bill for coming up with this proposition!
I hope some of you Ranchers will avail of the situation and start putting in practice all the Java Web skills that you have not been remunerated for yet, but will be in the near future thanks in part to this idea!
Sheriff Tony

Tony Alicea
Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
Eric Barnhill

Joined: Feb 25, 2000
Posts: 233

This is a great idea, thanks for posting it!
Raj Mohan
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Joined: Sep 26, 2000
Posts: 73
Excellent Angela,
this is what is I am looking for a long time. thanks. raj.

Joined: Apr 05, 2001
Posts: 6
Great News !! I will surely like to join after I complete my certification.
Roseanne Zhang
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Joined: Nov 14, 2000
Posts: 1953
We are doing what Angela want to do for over 80 days now.
Go there and see us!
SCJD Development Team
The Dynamic Website of Dallas SCJD Study Group

We just start to accept new members again!
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited April 05, 2001).]
Nandini Gangopadhyay
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Joined: Apr 02, 2001
Posts: 79
Please count me in, I am sitting for the certification on the 20th of this month, used to work in India as a web developer( I too don't have a technical degree) but am in the US right now on a dependant visa and seeing the current trends in the market finding a job seems to be a distant dream! I am also taking an advanced Java course here which covers servlets, JSP, EJB, XML etc.
Thanks again for the oppurtunity!
Pete Pan
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Joined: Mar 14, 2001
Posts: 44
fantastic idea.
meena murugu

Joined: Jan 03, 2001
Posts: 2
Angela ,
Have you shortlisted the developers? Does this mean I was not selected
Angela Poynton
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Joined: Mar 02, 2000
Posts: 3143
Those selected will be hearing from me in the next week or so. Apologies for not being around lately, suddenly my "real" work got really hectic so I havn't had the time to organise myself.
neetu8 gupta

Joined: Apr 20, 2001
Posts: 3
Hi Angela
I'm a SCJP .I wanna do some real projects.Please tell me how I can enroll to your site.send me a reply or contact me at
Roseanne Zhang
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Joined: Nov 14, 2000
Posts: 1953
I tried to find how you redirected your site, since I did not like the's redirect, but found your site was not accesible.
Please check!

Join our SCJD Study Group when certified
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited September 03, 2001).]
Donald Nunn
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Joined: Nov 11, 2000
Posts: 200
Great idea since getting experience is tough If no one will give you a chance.
Thank you,

<b>Donald Nunn</b><br />Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform
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