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How to get 100% in scjp 5.0 ?

sachin verma
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Hi to all

I am preparing for scjp 5.0;
I have one and only one goal in my mind and that is to get 100% in SCJP 5.0;
But first I want to deserve to get my goal;
My k&B book is the most expensive one for me now because it contains a lot of bookmarks and notes on almost every page;
I am on the third round on that book;
But I have to get my goal whatever it take;

please help me in every regard to get to 100%;
I don't have latest mocks as well!


SCJP || SCWCD

abhishek pendkay
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dude I got just two words for you HARD WORK


The significant problems we face cannot be solved by the same level of thinking which created them – Einstein
SCJP 1.5, SCWCD, SCBCD in the making
Mohammad Atiq Kazi
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Joined: Apr 01, 2008
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Hey man just go through Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates book and be thorough with all the concepts. The first thing which you need is confidence and patience in the exam. I can guarantee you one thing that not a single question in SCJP will be out of the concepts which are explained in the book. So prepare well and be confident. And also practice mock exams which will boost your confidence level. Best of luck friend..

Mohammad Atiq
SCJP 5.0(100%)


Mohammad Atiq<br />SCJP 5.0
Deep Sethi
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My experience (regarding life, studies, career.. anything) tells me that pressure to be perfect actually degrades your performance.

I appreciate and respect your enthusiasm and determination to get a 100% score. I however am worried that this pressure can actually reduce your score. I would hope that you really score 100% and achieve your goal though.

I was a Microsoft person until 2 years back. Have been programming from Visual Basic 3 to .NET 2.0 Appeared in 5 Microsoft exams. Scored between 946 and 992 in those exams. I never wanted to score a 1000/1000 in any of them. I am appearing for my first Java exam in couple of months and would be happy if I can score 90%.

I would say it is a personal preference. I prefer to be very good and above average rather than perfect. You might prefer to be perfect and I wish, you achieve that goal.
Ismael Upright
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Joined: Feb 15, 2007
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Hiya!

I was also about getting 100% at the beginning of my learning but now I think that unfortunately not everything depends on me while doing the test...


I bought jqplus for SCJP6 and I see that...


...there are some questions that might be understand in many ways. You never know what the question creator had on his mind. The question may contain the sentence that may be understand in more than one way. If you will not understand it in a way that question creator understands it, you may mark the correct answer and still it is incorrect.


...there are some questions that contains deeply hidden logical mistakes. While the Java layer is perfectly fine, the answer of the question creator itself is wrong. Theoretically the same thing you may encounter on the exam.


...there are some questions that simply contain Java mistakes. Although I think that on the exam there is very small probability to encounter such problem, it is still possible.


And you will never know if you answered incorrectly or there was just a bug in the question, because you aren't allowed to see your results in the details. You only see the final result (which I personally think is a totally unfair - you should have right to see why you were wrong on the exam you paid for).

So... not only you need lots of knowledge but also a bit of... luck.



And don't get my post wrong.. If you are about to buy some tests, I would recommend you jqplus6. It is cheap, it contains lots of questions and it's getting better and better because I repot every single bug I found and they fix all of them
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: Ismael Upright ]
Ismael Upright
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I may give you all an example:


Which of the following statements are true?

1. Private methods cannot be overriden in subclasses.

2. A subclass can override any method in a non-final superclass.

3. An overriding method can declare that it throws a wider spectrum of exceptions than the method it is overriding.

4. The parameter list of an overriding method must be a subset of the parameter list of the method that it is overriding.

5. The overriding method may opt not to declare any throws clause even if the original method has a throws clause.



According to the question, two answers are correct. Which of them would you mark?
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: Ismael Upright ]
Afzal Hossain
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i think 1 & 5 are true.
thanks
Afzal


Afzal
sachin verma
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Which of the following statements are true?


I think 1 3 and 5 are correct

1. Private methods cannot be overridden in subclasses.
Answer is yes (because it cant be inherited or accesses outside the class)

2. A subclass can override any method in a non-final superclass.
Answer is no(what if the method in superclass is itself final or static)

3. An overriding method can declare that it throws a wider spectrum of exceptions than the method it is overriding.
Answer is yes(can) if the exception is Unchecked
Example is below


4. The parameter list of an overriding method must be a subset of the parameter list of the method that it is overriding.
Answer is no (in that case it would be overloaded)

5. The overriding method may opt not to declare any throws clause even if the original method has a throws clause.
I think the Answer is yes because in above example if you remove the throws clause it will work fine
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: sachin verma ]
sachin verma
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Originally posted by abhishek pendkay

dude I got just two words for you HARD WORK

Thanks abhishek yes you are right Hard work is a basic key and I am already working very hard.

Originally posted by Mohammad Atiq Kazi

I can guarantee you one thing that not a single question in SCJP will be out of the concepts

thanks Mohammad Atiq Kazi but what about some concepts that the book does not cover like static hiding?
Now because this question arises here I want to ask if there is any book that covers all the topic that is not there in K&B book like static hiding.
Originally posted by Deep Sethi

I however am worried that this pressure can actually reduce your score

thanks Deep Sir I am under that kind of pressure too.
And I am trying to use that pressure in a positive manner to reach to a good score.
Originally posted by Deep Sethi

I would hope that you really score 100% and achieve your goal though.

yes sir that is purely my dream and I have to protect it.At least I will try
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: sachin verma ]
Ivan Ivanic
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Originally posted by Ismael Upright:

And you will never know if you answered incorrectly or there was just a bug in the question, because you aren't allowed to see your results in the details. You only see the final result (which I personally think is a totally unfair - you should have right to see why you were wrong on the exam you paid for).

i couldn't agree more with you. i also think that this practice is totally unuseful... even if you failed completely it would be easier to bare if you could see where were your mistakes...

Originally posted by Ismael Upright:

... If you are about to buy some tests, I would recommend you jqplus6. It is cheap, it contains lots of questions and it's getting better and better because I repot every single bug I found and they fix all of them

again i agree with you. these tests are great, how much did you achieved on it??? if i may ask
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Ismael Upright
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The answers given by question creators as correct are 1 and 5.
Answer 3 is correct as sachin verma explained.. I missed that also



But the answer 4 is correct as well.

Anyone knows why?






Originally posted by Ivan Ivanic:

again i agree with you. these tests are great, how much did you achieved on it??? if i may ask


Honestly I never took any test I use the objective-wise tests and open them to learn one part at once. I plan to take some tests in May, whey I'll have vacation and a bit more free time.
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: Ismael Upright ]
sachin verma
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Please Don't ask Question here that is not related to the intended purpose because I am never going to waste another thread to ask the same question


And thanks to all those who replied to me.

Now because the topic is little bit wider so let me ask my question in this way.

What are the mandatory things that I must do to get to 100%?.
Or what do you fell that I should do to get to 100%?.



Now let me tell you something about my preparation and what I am intended to.
1. I have done 2 rounds of K&B book. And I am on the third round and I will complete 4 round of it.

2. I have bought 3 books K&B 5.0, Khalid Mughal, and Apress.but I am using only K&B book as I believe khalid's one is specifically best for SCJP 1.4.

3. I can invest 1000 more Indian rupee and I think I would buy Whizlabs'.

4. I am planning to take some mocks as well but cant invest for it too if I will buy whizlabs'.

please suggest as well as help me.
[ May 01, 2008: Message edited by: sachin verma ]
Jan Cumps
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I can invest 1000 more Indian rupee and I think I would buy Whizlabs'.
Do the exam now, and give the money to charity. Maybe you will miss your own goal by some percents, but you will help someone else achieve a goal.

Regards, Jan


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Abhishek Mantri
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Hi Jan
do you mean to say that sachin should not invest in whizlab,isn't it worthy enough???especially one aspires for 100% score???
Dinesh Tahiliani
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I have also read the KB book 3 times, but not able to score 75% in mock test, getting around 60% , so much tense, how should i give exam. i need to pass out my exam with good percentage and want to clear my basic concepts which will help me in future .

Please advice and suggest...


Thanks<br />Dinesh
Jan Cumps
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do you mean to say that sachin should not invest in whizlab,isn't it worthy enough???
No. I didn't mean to say that.

Regards, Jan
Matt Russell
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Originally posted by sachin verma:
I have one and only one goal in my mind and that is to get 100% in SCJP 5.0

It's an admirable target, but is that really your one and only goal? Speaking for myself, it seems to me that Java certification is not an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. For example, to become a better Java programmer, or to provide some evidence of your Java skills.

I think that to score 100% is very possible, but that there is an element of chance involved. You might get a question on an obscure topic that you hadn't studied exhaustively. So to be completely certain that you don't get caught out by such a question, your only real choice is to make sure you memorise large parts of the API and the Java language spec. As good as the SCJP is as a tool for learning, I think by that point you are subject to the law of diminishing returns. That is to say, you get less and less real-world benefit for your hard work.

Of course, it's not for me to tell you what your goals should be, but if you want to be a better programmer, it's likely you would learn more by writing your own programs or reading books like Effective Java than devoting all your effort to guaranteeing a 100% score on a Java exam.

But all the best with your studies,


Matt
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Devesh Chanchlani
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SCJP Aspirants can even refer to this article, which covers minor deatils which are often missed by the aspirants. Below is the URL:
SCJP 5 Preparation (Tips, Tricks & FAQs)

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Ismael Upright
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sachin verma, sorry for being a bit offtopic. My intention was to show you that there may be factors not dependant of you that have influence on your exam.


As for the example I gave you above, the answer 4 is correct as well because the set is always one of the subsets of its own. If the answer 4 would be incorrect it would mean that the parameter list of an overriding method doesn't have to be a subset of the parameter list of the method that it is overriding. And that means that it doesn't have to be the exact parameter list of the method that it is overriding.


Good luck with your goal but if you won't make it, remember that is not necessary because of your lack of knowledge


And get at least one day of rest before going to the exam, like playing football, going out with friends or whatever you like and what will make you relaxed
Rosy nency
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Joined: Mar 12, 2008
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Hi All, Yah,You can get 100% if you have determination to get that.first thing you need to do is read kaithy book as many times you can untill you are thorough with core concepts. And the most important thing is confidence which you need badly on the exam day...I also got 100%


Originally posted by sachin verma:
Hi to all

I am preparing for scjp 5.0;
I have one and only one goal in my mind and that is to get 100% in SCJP 5.0;
But first I want to deserve to get my goal;
My k&B book is the most expensive one for me now because it contains a lot of bookmarks and notes on almost every page;
I am on the third round on that book;
But I have to get my goal whatever it take;

please help me in every regard to get to 100%;
I don't have latest mocks as well!
sachin verma
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Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Posts: 177
Originally posted by: Matt Russell
it's likely you would learn more by writing your own programs or reading books like Effective Java than devoting all your effort to guaranteeing a 100% score on a Java exam.


Thanks for suggestion.I am writing a lot of programs.
But I don't know anything about "Effective Java"
I am using only K&B book.
How is it different from K&B book.Or what's so special in it.Can anybody tell me?
Matt Russell
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Originally posted by sachin verma:
Thanks for suggestion.I am writing a lot of programs.
But I don't know anything about "Effective Java"
I am using only K&B book.
How is it different from K&B book.Or what's so special in it.Can anybody tell me?


Effective Java is a book that gives a whole bunch of recommendations and best practices for writing Java programs. K&B is a guide for the SCJP exam (and also happens to be a fine Java tutorial at the same time). Effective Java touches on a couple of the SCJP topics, but it's not written with that in mind. It's just a helpful resource for becoming a better programmer.
Marcus Green
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Effective Java is a very good book, but if I was recommending a first tutorial (i.e. pre exam study) I would go for Head First Java (and also my exquisitly excellent Free Java Tutorial at http://www.examulator.com/fjt/)


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