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Java job market dying away?

Mark Lau
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Joined: Dec 15, 2001
Posts: 120
I hear somebody in a forum say that there is hardly any job market for Java programmers. His reasonings go like this:
What kind of companies use Java most? Dot com! And how many dot coms are still earning money? How many of them are not laying off people?
So he says that C++ programmers still have more job opportunities.
I feel that he is kinda right. What do you guys think?
Mark Herschberg
Sheriff

Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
HA!
I have never in my life worked for a dot com. There are plenty of other companies which use Java, from games to financial services, to b2b software. The market is no where near dead.
There's nothing like handwaving arguments for misdirection. I'll believe him when he gives me the number of laid off Java developers vs. the number of employed Java developers, and shows me the latter is greatly increasing and will continue to do so.

--Mark
Jim Baiter
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Joined: Jan 05, 2001
Posts: 532
I'm sure the latter is increasing. I can't be sure it will continue to do so. I'm also sure the number is increasing for any other languages such as C++ and other professions such as airline workers. It's just a lousy economy and all we can do is hope it ends soon.
Theodore Casser
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Joined: Mar 14, 2001
Posts: 1902

There's always going to be a need for Java programmers, so long as there are applications in use that are written in Java.
It's just a bad economy, and companies are putting off hiring more help - it's not just in the technology sector. However, that being said, I think it also depends on where you're looking. When I broadened my focus to include areas where I have family (so relocating wouldn't be a huge hassle), I found areas where there are increasing numbers of Java-related openings.
The government and defense contractors are a good place to start looking - they're suddenly looking for more people with Java skills.


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Brian Seitzman
Greenhorn

Joined: Dec 18, 2001
Posts: 3
The market has slowed down overall, but I think things are beginning to pick up. I'm a recruiter and I have a few positions available right now. The sticking point these days is that while there are still jobs for senior developers, more junior people are having a otugher time catching a break.
I think its been about 4 years since I've had call for a C++ programmer.
Originally posted by Gene Chao:
I hear somebody in a forum say that there is hardly any job market for Java programmers. His reasonings go like this:
What kind of companies use Java most? Dot com! And how many dot coms are still earning money? How many of them are not laying off people?
So he says that C++ programmers still have more job opportunities.
I feel that he is kinda right. What do you guys think?

Sylvester Saloon
Greenhorn

Joined: Jul 31, 2001
Posts: 24
I am a programmer. I don't work for a dot-com.
AND, I use Java when i write code.
When we put out an ad for programmers we almost always say C/C++, Java -- but when the real work begins ...
...and deadlines are set ...
...everyone uses Java.
I love C, but hey when its crunch time -- i'll go with Java.
ps. no one uses VB either -- at least not in our company.
 
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