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MCSE for a programmer?

Adnan Chaudhry
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Joined: Jun 09, 2002
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Im a senior in college; considering the current market position, I am thinking of doing some certifications to help me when I graduate.
I have very little work experience but have done several independent projects which I will be posting on my website in the near future.
Q.My question is, will an MCSE increase my chances of finding an entry level job more than programming certifications such as the java and MCSD will?

I have worked with java in school for about 3 years and am pretty confident in taking the programmer & developer exams.
I have some knowledge of networks and have great support by friends who are in this field. These firends are willing to walk me thorugh the MCSE.

I would prefer and like to work in the field of programming, but inorder to get a job and get settled down, I am willing to change directions *temporarily*.
After I get settled down, I would like to go back to Programming.
Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
Posts: 1870
Hi
Networking and programming are two different fields, I think you are influenced by peers who are already in the networking field or rather system administration because I think that people with MCSE are not real network guys. If your key interest area is programming then go for Sun certification or other certification in programming, Certifications are not so much helpful in finding the job now a days but they gives you strong basic foundation of programming language. Going for MCSE or system admin job will not help you ever for your programming career beacuse their experience will not be counted in programming field.
Raghav Mathur
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Joined: Jan 12, 2001
Posts: 641
It depends a lot on your college too .Does your college offfer campus placements ? ( presume that you aer an engineering student) . I would rather suggest you to complete a CCNA ( cisco certification ).
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raghav mathur


Raghav.
Mark Herschberg
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Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
I generally agree with the direction Sameer took in his post. however, I strongly disagree with
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
Certifications are not so much helpful in finding the job now a days but they gives you strong basic foundation of programming language.

I have found this to very often not be the case. Search for posts in this forum under my name, and either "SCJP" or "certification" to get more info.
--Mark
Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
Posts: 1870
Mark I was telling the situation of certification (mainly programming related certification) here in India and sorrounding coutries, Here employers does not care whether you are certified or not they just want experience.
Adnan Chaudhry
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Joined: Jun 09, 2002
Posts: 4
Thank you for your comments Sameer, Raghav, and Mark.
Sameer:
Yes thats true, my freind really wants me to do the MCSE with him. ALthough he assures me that he will get me a job if I have a MCSE. Ohh well...I think I'm going to do the SUN certifications first.
I goto college in Kansas, in the U.S. So things might be a little different than India. I think, if you have *contacts*, you can do anything in this country. I think the same works for India as well.
Mark:
For the past few days I have been reading all your posts, and actually I was eagerly waiting for you to reply. I wanted to know what you thought about this.
-Adnan
Mark Herschberg
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Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
Well, overall, I'm not a fan of certifications, although many others on this list will argue that it will help you land a first job. Of course, these days, there are plenty of out of work people with certifications, so I'm even more skeptical.
Your school's career office will definately be one of your best resources.
One thing to be wary of... getting sidetracked in your career. Getting sidetracked isn't necessarily bad in and of itself. Most career paths meander. However, if you take a non programming job (e.g. QA, networking, sys admin, tech support), you may get blown off course. Those skills won't necessarily help oyu much as a programmer. In some cases, it'll be seen as a black mark ("he's not a programmer, he's a sys admin who want's to become a programmer"). It's ok to take a job like this, but make it clear to your manager that your want to develop skills for porgramming and/or move into that area sooner rather then later.
--Mark
Ken Sheppard
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Joined: Apr 11, 2002
Posts: 4
I have an MCSE, SCJP and most important a BS in Computer Engineering and Computer Science. I got the MCSE because I was an Army officer working in IT so I decided to become proficent in my job. After 4 years in the Army I went back to software development. I usually leave the MCSE of my resume unless the software development job is developing software used in IT, netwoking, etc. The bottom line is get the cert. in the job you plan to keep, otherwise everything you learned to get the cert. will slip away.
Adnan Chaudhry
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Joined: Jun 09, 2002
Posts: 4
ken, im completing my final year of CS. Hopefully I should graduate in may next year. I am really interested in the field of wireless communication. I think networking knowledge is definately required to excel in this field. I am planning to take an introductiry class in networking next semester. However im pretty sure an MCSE will not help me much in the wireless field, but it might give me some knowledge about networks and how they work. I think the class I will be taking will be adequate enough to learn about networks.
I was actually debating if I should go for another BS in CE, but I think it would be better just to do a MS in CS. What do you think? It would only take me another year to complete it. But then again it would take only 2 to get my MS.
-Adnan
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
Adnan:
- Employers (at least here in the USA) want to see the MS-CS degree as opposed to another BS degree.
- I have BS-Applied Mathematics, and BS-Computer Science. But, it's the MS-Computer Science that opens the doors.
- Also, I am a very big believer in the Java Certification track (SCJP2, SCWCD, SCJD, SCJA), for two reasons - especally for junior level people with US College degrees.
First - it demonstrates some knowledge of real-world skills. The exams force you study and learn various real-world topics.
Second - the certifications separate you from the other entry-level folks.
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My previous employer - Hewlett-Packard (yes I am in my fourth layoff in two years) - was very keen on certifications. They required certifications, even from the senior staff with 20+ years experience in the programmig arena.
Hope this helps.
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)


John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
 
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