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Celinio Fernandes
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Hi,
I just want to make a little suggestion:
can you change the title of the certification forums so that you append the code exam to it ?
For example:
Programmer Certification (SCJP) would become Programmer Certification (SCJP) 310-035

It would help when looking for the appropriate forum since certifications are sometimes confusing for someone new.

Let me know what you think.


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ankur rathi
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Originally posted by Max longbeach:

It would help when looking for the appropriate forum since certifications are sometimes confusing for someone new.



It should be reverse.
Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Max longbeach:
It would help when looking for the appropriate forum since certifications are sometimes confusing for someone new.


The only reason I'd personally disagree is times like right now, where some folks are taking the SCJP 1.4 exam (310-035) and some are taking SCJP 5.0 (310-055). Not to mention those taking the upgrade exams (310-036 and 310-056 respectively). So you're dealing with a variety of exams that it could be covering.

I think it's fairly clear right now which forum covers what exam, so I don't know that it really needs to change... but that is just my opinion.


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Celinio Fernandes
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Originally posted by Theodore Casser:


The only reason I'd personally disagree is times like right now, where some folks are taking the SCJP 1.4 exam (310-035) and some are taking SCJP 5.0 (310-055). Not to mention those taking the upgrade exams (310-036 and 310-056 respectively). So you're dealing with a variety of exams that it could be covering.

Then in that case why not change the title to something like :
Programmer Certification (SCJP) 310-035 310-055 310-036 310-056
Or mention the code exams in the Title comments if there are too many.

Or even better: why not subdivide the actual certification forums since they can refer to various code exams ?
Someone who wants to check threads about the SCJP 310-035 exam does not necessarily want to read about threads related to SCJP 310-055 exam and vice versa. They are all mixed up at this moment, hence the confusion.
[ September 27, 2005: Message edited by: Max longbeach ]
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Max, I am surprised that in the past year or so, I have been the only one to remark about following our naming policy. But here is the second warning.



Link to the first warning, which you can use the link to the profile page. But also because you never answered my question about your location. The reason why I ask is because I live in Long Beach, CA.

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Mark Spritzler
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OH, to comment about the forum name.

I have no idea what the numbers are for the exams. Just SCJP, SCJD, etc. And I helped write the SCJP 5.0 exam. So I am pretty sure that most newbies know the 4 letter name and not the number.

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Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Max longbeach:

Or even better: why not subdivide the actual certification forums since they can refer to various code exams ?
Someone who wants to check threads about the SCJP 310-035 exam does not necessarily want to read about threads related to SCJP 310-055 exam and vice versa. They are all mixed up at this moment, hence the confusion.

I'm more inclined to agree with Mark that most folks will know it by the acronyms. (Not to mention that the fora have a description under each name that is fairly clear.) And most folks in the given fora also specify which exam version they're talking about, so it's not as unclear as you think.

IMO, you'd be introducing a spiralling number of fora then, which I think is counter-intuitive and more confusing to newcomers than less. But also - if we subdivide based on the exam version (1.2 vs 1.4 vs 5.0 for the SCJP as an example), we're going to have to subdivide SCJD based on the project, and SCWCD based on version. Plus, for those of us who are giving advice, it just adds to the number of fora we need to poke into to help out.

I think the current system works fairly well.
[ September 27, 2005: Message edited by: Theodore Casser ]
Celinio Fernandes
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
Max, I am surprised that in the past year or so, I have been the only one to remark about following our naming policy. But here is the second warning.



Link to the first warning, which you can use the link to the profile page. But also because you never answered my question about your location. The reason why I ask is because I live in Long Beach, CA.

Good Luck

Mark


I updated my profile I spent a few months in LB, CA, hence the name
Mark Spritzler
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Originally posted by Max Scandes:


I updated my profile I spent a few months in LB, CA, hence the name


Cool, thanks.

So then you are no longer there. Bummer. Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread., so back to our regularly scheduled thread.

Mark
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Actually, my esteemed friend Mr. Casser makes a better point.

And to progress on that line, if we say had two forums for the different versions of the SJCD, then the questions that relate to both exam, meaning it affects both equally. Which forum would those questions go to?

Mark
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What would people think about putting a prefix in the thread title, like:

"SCJP 5 - boxing doubt"


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Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
What would people think about putting a prefix in the thread title, like:

"SCJP 5 - boxing doubt"

Kind of like how, in the SCJD forum, there's the request to prefix your questions with initials for the projects?

I think that's a fair idea and worth a shot. At the very least, it would help the folks looking for the 1.4 exam (in this example) know posts they could just skip over.
Barry Gaunt
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
What would people think about putting a prefix in the thread title, like:

"SCJP 5 - boxing doubt"


Wishful thinking. Going on past experience of moderating SCJP it is impossible to get a reasonable policy (using meaningful topic titles, using code brackets, not using textspeak, reading the FAQ, posting sources of mock questions, etc.) maintained without wasting a lot of good time which should really be spent on helping people with their Java issues.
[ September 29, 2005: Message edited by: Barry Gaunt ]

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True, since the SCJP is a forum that gets lot of new people all the time, they are the ones that tend to not know some basic rules that we have set up, which is completely understandable. But as time goes by, they will see the prefix and adopt it themselves.

In SCJD, not everyone follows the prefix guidleline right away, but you just have to filter it yourself to decide if you want to read it or not. By just asking to put the prefix on the main SCJP page should be enough without having to bartend them to get them to add the prefix. If they don't add it, be fine, leave it, and maybe other members will ask them to add the prefix.

I think it doesn't hurt. And besides Bert suggested it, so it has to be great. :roll:

Mark
Bert Bates
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Mark - it would be great if people did do that, but Barry speaks with the voice of experience...

Still, it wouldn't hurt to try it, because even partial implementation would help...
 
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