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Shura Balaganov
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Mark, have a few questions for you, as well as for everyone.
How do you get quality projects and work experience under your belt? For instance:
1. Some jobs want you to have experience with terabyte databases, when most "normal" people don't work with anything bigger than a few Gigabytes;
2. Some jobs want you to go through a number of Full Project Lifecycles for bigger projects, at least $250K, even up to a few $Million. For people who are just out of college, or who worked for smaller .com type companies (like me, or even you, Mark) it is not very feasible.
3. Some jobs require x number of years of C++(Java) experience. The problem is, unless a person focused his/her career using C++(Java), it is unlikely that one can aquire this x years doing other things and also C++(Java). And usually it is too late to go back to basics, 'case there are plenty of college grads for entry level positions.
4. How do you aquire pressious Project Leadership experience?
Of course, I have my own opinion on all of the above. But thinking about it, as well as were to go in the future, I thought that by focusing some of these thoughts I might help myself, as well as many others who just start their careers.
Thanks
Shura
[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: Shura Balaganov ]

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Mark Herschberg
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

1. Some jobs want you to have experience with terabyte databases, when most "normal" people don't work with anything bigger than a few Gigabytes;

Haven't a clue. For something like that, I'd say volunteer for SETI :-)
Seriously, for non-normal things you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. This applied not just the large DBs, but also financial experience, special tools, etc. If you work for a company which does work like this, try to get yourself into those groups, even if just part time.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

2. Some jobs want you to go through a number of Full Project Lifecycles for bigger projects, at least $250K, even up to a few $Million. For people who are just out of college, or who worked for smaller .com type companies (like me, or even you, Mark) it is not very feasible.

There's nothing you can do. You just need to build yourself up over time. (BTW, plenty fo startups do projects which come close to $250k.) Working for a big company like IBM, or PWC, will give you opportunities for such project.

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

3. Some jobs require x number of years of C++(Java) experience. The problem is, unless a person focused his/her career using C++(Java), it is unlikely that one can aquire this x years doing other things and also C++(Java). And usually it is too late to go back to basics, 'case there are plenty of college grads for entry level positions.

You aquire 5 years of Java/C++ by working for 5 years. If someone wants 5 years of Java, and sees 3 years of Java and 2 years of C++ prior and think that's not good enough, they're not someone I want to work for. In my book, the skills earned by smeone with 5 years experience are earned regardless of the particular language (short of something like COBOL to Java).

Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:

4. How do you aquire pressious Project Leadership experience?

That's why I like small companies. I saw a need and jumped to fill in the opportunity. That's the type of person I am, although not everyone is. For those that are, small comapnies are good places. It's loose and chaotic and easy to step up to the plate. For those who don't work well in that situation, larger companies have a wealth of opportunities and can provide different growth tracks. Consulting firms especially, can offer project management opportunities.

--Mark
 
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