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Seeking cert path advice

John Eo

Joined: Aug 13, 2002
Posts: 3
I didn't get any response for the following post in the "Product and Other Certifications" section so I'll try it here...
I just passed the SCJP exam a few days ago. What I want to be doing evetually is enterprise Java programming (servlets, JSP, EJB, JDBC, etc...) but I get the feeling the SCJP won't be enough to get me a Java programming job here in Austin, TX.
For one thing, I believe that the area's saturated with unemployed Java programmers from the tech sector bust and recent university grads. (I know there's been threads with heated arguments about whether the Java job market is actually bad or not, but my personal job search process has been horrific. So let's go with the assumption that it's bad for me now.) Also, I don't have a CS degree or years of industry experience in Java (just short of a year). I can't afford to go back to school, so certifications seem to be the way to go.
But considering the tough experiences I've been having with trying to get a Java job, I'm wondering if I should still go for something like SCWCD like I've been planning. It seems to me that demands for other positions like DBA's seem still pretty high. So my question is this: Should I stick to studying for what I really want to do or should I look into something like Oracle certification?
This is a bit of a career decision question of whether to stick it out until I get what I want, or compromise so I can get a job in the field...
Mark Herschberg

Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
This is definately a better forum for the question. However, please do no cross post. Please delete your old post from the previous forum.
Olga Jimenez

Joined: Aug 30, 2002
Posts: 3
I think you should move in the Java direction. It is not the best time in the job market right now, but things will get better some day. I got my Java programmer certification this July, also I have a Master's degree, but I feel the same way as you... my job search is not going anywhere.
Just keep practice, go get another java certification, don't giveup.
John Eo

Joined: Aug 13, 2002
Posts: 3
Thanks for the encouragement, Olga.
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
This is definately a better forum for the question. However, please do no cross post. Please delete your old post from the previous forum.

Done. Sorry about that. But I had posted the message there because the people who frequent that section already made the decision to pursue non-Sun certifications. I figured I might be able to get different perspectives than from those who have commited to SCWCD and others. I would still like to hear cases for IBM's or Oracle's certification paths.
Rufus BugleWeed
Ranch Hand

Joined: Feb 22, 2002
Posts: 1551
They are only slightly interested.
I believe administration jobs like Unix System Admin, Oracle DBA, and Cisco ??? have a bigger market share than jobs for developers of applications.
One guy in the SCEA forum said getting SCEA is bad. Now the recipient is over qualified for developer and underqualified for architect.
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
John Eo:
- What college degrees do you have?
- If all you have is SCJP - it won't cut it.
- If you want to be a Java programmer - the market concentrates mainly on the Server-Side J2EE technologies - Servlets, JSP, EJBs.
- Your next goal should be to start hitting up the books on the SCWCD exam. This will prepare you for the Servlets, JSP part.
- Regarding being overqualified --- horse hockey -- that's just a pathetic excuse - take it to your mama!!! Sounds more like someone did a hurry up job on the certifications and got hit at a technical interview. Reason why some folks on this board discount the certifications.
- Back to the game:
If you have your BS-CS (USA College) and SCJP and SCJD --- you should be able to find some type of work ... eventually. Yes - you may have to relocate - that's just a fact of life. You may have to take a technical support position to start out.
However - market does seem to be picking up. I know that GE-Harris in Orlando, FL just hired a bunch of folks for a project. Also, Univ of Colorado advertised for some Java folks for a US Forest Service project. So there are some gigs floating around here and there.
Meanwhile - I am off to Yellowstone Park (finally!!) to do some serious trout fishing.
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: John Coxey ]

John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
John Eo

Joined: Aug 13, 2002
Posts: 3
"Horse hockey"... ?
Anyway, my degree is in BS in MIS (through business admin path). Not quite technical, not quite management (eck!). Hey, it seemed like a good option at the time -- one third the work of engineering (previous major), and about 25% better pay (back in the late 90's).
Maybe I will go for SCWCD after all...
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