This week's book giveaway is in the OCAJP 8 forum. We're giving away four copies of OCA Java SE 8 Programmer I Study Guide and have Edward Finegan & Robert Liguori on-line! See this thread for details.
Hello. I recently graduated with a BBA in "Computer Information Systems. I learned elementary database techniques, java and C++. However, this degree was NOT a computer science degree. I did not learn the topics that most colleges with computer science degrees offer such as automata theory, software engineering concepts, algorithm fundamentals, mathematical programming, etc. My question is, should I go to graduate school and take a Master of Science in Computer Science to learn all the things that the BBA didnt teach me? Is that needed to get a job in computer programming? Also, does anyone know of any good graduate schools in New York?
Agreed......too many qualified developers...not enough dev jobs.
Joined: Oct 14, 2002
What do you guys mean? This whole place is about programming isnt it? Or do you mean the market of programming jobs in C++ specifically is dead? IT is the field that is dead IMO. All those cisco and MCSE guys are unemployed. But I always thought ecommerce development jobs were plentiful. java, xml, c++.net, etc. anyway, can anyone answer the computer degrees question? thanks!
Jimmy: - The MS-Comp Sci degree will be even more theoretical that the BS-Comp Sci degree. What college does is prepare you how to "solve problems" - at least that's what I think it's supposed to do. - I hope that you did some "real-world" projects or "internships" while earning your degree. This is where you get your initial "experience". - The guys in the J2EE Java field that I know of - learned it on their own, and not as part of any formalized college curriculum. ----------- - Right now, as you already know - the IT market is pretty slow - especially in the Junior Java programmer market. ---------- - I see that you have four options: 1. Look for a Java or C++ programming job. 2. If option #1 does not work out - look for job in production support / maintenance. Even if it's working with COBOL mainframes, at least you are in the computer field. 3. If option #2 does not work out. Go to graduate school. While in grad school, make damned sure that you get some "real world" Java or C++ (your choice) projects under your belt through the University. 4. If option #3 does not work out. Then it's time to back off and review your situation. Perhaps working in another field - while learning the J2EE model (Servlets, JSP, XML, EJB). Hopefully, the market will have turned around. And the folks who looked to the Java field to make a "quick buck" will have moved onto something else - thus opening up opportunites for you. No matter what - you will need to continually study to maintain and update your skill set. Reason why J2EE programmers get paid the $$ range that they do. We are constantly studying, going to classes, updating our skill set. -------- Note: It's not the basic Java (as seen on the SJCP2) that makes you the $$. Rather, it's just a step on the road to the J2EE model (Servlets, JSP, EJBs). It's the J2EE model that makes companies and eventually you the $$. -------- So how do you achieve this. 1. While either in school or out of school - prepare for the SCJP2 exam. Then prepare for the SCWCD exam. Then the SCJD exam. These (along with your BS-CS degree) will help get your foot in the door. Once you have a few yrs under your belt - go for the SCJEA exam. -------- John Coxey (firstname.lastname@example.org) [ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: John Coxey ]
Evansville, Indiana, USA
Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Arghhh!!! I thought you had the BS-CS degree. If you are going for an MS-CS degree, the college will more than likely make you pickup quite a few of the CS classes required for the BS-CS degree. Definitely grab Data Structurs, Algorithms, OOA&D programming, and any Java classes that you can. John Coxey (email@example.com)