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Benjoe Reyes
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Joined: Apr 24, 2002
Posts: 109
is there anybody who might know of the state of the philippine IT job market? esp. for Java...
how much does newbie SCJP worth there???
Manilyn Reynes
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Joined: Nov 11, 2002
Posts: 3
Benjoe
Kapatid. Dakila ang scjp sa maynila lalo na kung mayroon kang karanasan(programming at hindi pagturo ng programming), galing ka sa isang respetadong unibersidad, at mayroon kang karaniwang talas ng isip.
Sa aking palagay kakaunti sa maynila ang talagang magaling sa java. Ngunit marami ang nangangarap, at marami din ang nagkukunwari, at mayroon ding nagpaloloko.
Tony Alicea
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Joined: Jan 30, 2000
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Please translate into English. Thanks.


Tony Alicea
Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
Manilyn Reynes
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 11, 2002
Posts: 3
Okay here is a loose translation.
Bro/brother. The scjp is highly esteemed in Manila especially if you can back this title with: experience (not teaching but programming experience), you hail from a highly regarded university, and you are a person with at least modest intelligence.
In my opinion, there are only a few topnotch java gurus in manila. However, many dream of being that guru, others pretend, and there are also others who allow themselves to be fooled.
Roy Cantos
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Joined: Feb 22, 2002
Posts: 38
Sa aking kapwa Filipino, isa rin akong SCJP 1.2 at SCJP 1.4, isang baguhan din sa larangan ng Java, at ako rin ay nangangarap na magkaroon ng Trabaho sa larangan ng Java, kahit ang sweldo ay kakarampot, ako po ay nasa labas ng bansa, at na linya sa IT, ang aking gawain ay IVR para sa Call Center, kahit malaki ang kinikita ko dito, hindi po ako kuntento kaya pinursige kong mag-aral ng Java at sa darating na Desyembre ako po ay kukuha ng SCWCD exam.
Kung may alam po kayong trabaho sa larangan ng Java sana po tulungan ninyo ho ako.
very loose english translation:
To my Filipino fellows, i'm also a newbie in Java but is SCJP 1.2 and SCJP 1.4, and currently i'm looking for Java Jobs also even the salary is low, i'm currently in a overseas project for call center application and earning a modest, but i'm not satisfied on my current job that's why i pursued to study Java and this coming December i'm going to write the SCWCD exam.
If you knew any Java Jobs available, please help me.
[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: Roy Cantos ]
James Paul
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 11
Hi guys! Akala ko pagpasa ko SCJP 1.2 ay sapat na para makakuha ng trabaho bilang isang java programmer pero nagkamali pala ako.
Mag-dadalawang buwan na simula ng mag-resign ako sa dati kong trabaho bilang IT Specialist sa isang kumpanya dito sa atin pero hanggang ngayon wala pa ring development sa aking mga aplikasyon.Tama si Manilyn, kailangan nating gumawa ng paraan upang magkaroon ng karanasan sa isang tunay na proyekto.
Ano kaya kung pansamantalang magtrabaho tayo ng libre for the sake of experience? Ano sa palagay nyo?
English x'lation:
Hi guys! I thought that passing scjp 1.2 would be enough to get a job as a java programmer but I was wrong. It's almost 2 months since I resign from my previous job as an IT Specialist in a local company but still there's no development in my applications.Manilyn is right, we must do something to gain experience in making real world java applications.
What about temporarily working for free for the sake of experience? What do you think?
Thomas Paul
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Joined: May 05, 2000
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Originally posted by James Paul:
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James Paul
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Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 11
Well, I don't think so because this is not my real name but I can be if you want to. Have a nice day!
Benjoe Reyes
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Joined: Apr 24, 2002
Posts: 109
to manilyn :
okay experience would be a problem unless you're willing to work for free... however you have just stated doomsday to those who are not rich enough to go to "respected universities" for sure you are talking about la salle, ateneo blah, blah, blah.... for inteligence??? no need to say anything... i may not be cum laude but blah, blah , blah...
and for the rest who posted replies you have just stated that we are dead in the philippines... we can't even get out of the country without the much needed experience...
which comes first the chicken or the egg? job or experience???
work for free??? wow i'm already living in credit... to think IT has a good market...
oh yeah IT is a good market if you're a green archer, blue eagle or a tiger or whatever...
[ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: Benjoe Reyes ]
Filipino Tagalog
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Joined: Nov 09, 2002
Posts: 5
Its a good market alright for the Philippines, you just need to expand your knowledge some more, don't just focus on getting yourself certified but lots of hands-on, hands-on, hands-on. There are lots of things that the exams can't measure. The way in which a mind works while you are solving a programming problem is just too complex to be measured by an exam.
I just got into this certification game myself because lots of inexperienced,certified people are taking the limelight out of us experienced pros. Well im not a graduate of a good school in the Philippines nor got good grades in school, but I have worked with others who did and I tell you they do the work like grade school kids that always need assistance. It just takes hard work and determination to be what you want to be.

SCJP 1.2, more than a dozen Microsoft Certifications, and Oracle certs, with 10 years real-world practical experience in IT
Manilyn Reynes
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 11, 2002
Posts: 3
Hang in there guys. Lubos ang tiwala ko sa kakayahan ng pinoy.
Benjoe you've been watching too much college basketball. A good school in my opinion includes but is not limited to the schools you mentioned. Pare kaya mo iyan. Mabuhay kayong lahat --mga kababayan ko.
James Paul
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 11
To Benjoe and other fresh SCJPs:
Java is hot in the Philippines. The problem is most companies are looking for experienced programmers. I know how tough it is to study, review and pass Sun's programmer certification yet becoming an SCJP is not enough. We need work experience to jumpstart our career. But then again you may ask "How can I get work experience when nobody's hiring me in the first place?" Well I believe that's our problem not the employer's. I found this interesting site, url is http://www.geocities.com/developergrp/ and I believe it can help us a lot in getting the work experience that we are craving for. I am just working on the prerequisites but I will surely join this group. I invite you all to join to.
Jose Velarde
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Joined: Sep 11, 2002
Posts: 78
Originally posted by James Paul:
I found this interesting site, url is http://www.geocities.com/developergrp/ and I believe it can help us a lot in getting the work experience that we are craving for. I am just working on the prerequisites but I will surely join this group. I invite you all to join to.


Why don't you join
this local group? Java Sessions are held every Wednesday for free. There are also some projects that are in the pipeline. I'm sure you'll learn a lot while gaining the valuable experience at the same time Check out this site for more information.
http://pinoyjug.org/home/index.jsp
James Paul
Greenhorn

Joined: Nov 14, 2002
Posts: 11
Thanks J.V.! I just joined the group! It's very nice to know that there are people who organize local groups like this and I'm sure it will help new comers like me a lot. Salamat po!
Benjoe Reyes
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Joined: Apr 24, 2002
Posts: 109
thanks "jose v." and "james p." for the sites
Benjoe Reyes
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Joined: Apr 24, 2002
Posts: 109
thanks "jose v." and "james p." for the sites
to "mane" hows aljon and the "business"
 
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