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Jobs in the UK???

Derrick Sturch
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Joined: Dec 22, 2002
Posts: 3
Hello, I was wondering if anyone had any comment on the current situation in the UK (London) for java/c# developers. I am presently arranging for ancestry-employment and would like to make the move within the next 3 months.
Trouble is is that I would be required to leave a fairly secure job as a programmer (I work for an airline that is actually profitable).
Is this a wise move? I have 3 years Java experience and have several medium - large size applications under my belt.
Any feedback is much appreciated.
Thanks
Linda Jones
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Joined: Aug 17, 2002
Posts: 57
Where are you moving from??
Im my opinion the job market in the UK is not good, but not as bad as the US. If you're good at what you do you shouldn't have too much of a problem. Unless you're particularly attached to working in London I'd also consider the South-East (Berkshire).
If I was you I'd make some contacts before you actually moved - get in touch with some recruitment agents, have a look at the online job sites. See if there are jobs around which are the kind of thing you would want. Also, make sure you CV is written to fit the British style.
Linda
del james
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Joined: Dec 16, 2002
Posts: 3
I've seen it said before on this forum, but I'll say it again anyway - don't assume that on-line job ads posted by recruitment agencies are real jobs.
I was looking for work this time last year and found agents to be less than useless. I've since secured 2 jobs in Local Government by applying direct. (Most Government jobs can be found on the Councils' or Gov Depts on-line recruitment pages, and they are REAL jobs, not figments of agents imagination)
Derrick Sturch
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Joined: Dec 22, 2002
Posts: 3
Thank you very much for the info. BTW I'm moving from Canada on the heels of a friend of mine who moved in October. He was able to find a job within a month of immmigrating.
He indicated that people are generally saying that the job market is the worse that they had experienced. However he also said that if this.jobmarket == worse, it seems better than the good times in Canada. Mind you we both got in to this profession at the tail end of the mania.
Thanks again.
Guennadiy VANIN
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Joined: Aug 30, 2001
Posts: 898
Originally posted by Linda Jones:
...make sure you CV is written to fit the British style

Got me unprepared. What is "British style" CV?
Linda Jones
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Joined: Aug 17, 2002
Posts: 57
Got me unprepared. What is "British style" CV?

Employers in different countries have different expectations of what should and shouldn't be included in your CV/resume.
eg. how long should it be, what is it called, should you include personal details, hobbies, a photo, education details etc.
You should take these into account when looking for work in a different country, or you may find yours being thrown in the bin because (depending on the country) it was too long for them to be bothered reading or didn't contain enough information so they thought you didn't know anything.
Here's some representative articles from Monster.com on the subject
CV to Resumeand
Resume to CV
Linda
Sam Tilley
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Joined: Dec 05, 2001
Posts: 160
I talked to a IT recruitment guy the other day and he said the companies are unlikely to start many new projects until end of March - April i.e. the end of the financial year. This makes sense because they won't want to invest new capital in projects which will affect their profit (/bonus), but would rather start big ones up at the start of a new year, so he suggested that this was the best time to start looking.
Not sure if it is the same in the US. Im also of the opinion that the UK has hit the bottom and companies are going to start needing to implement new projects again to prevent themselves from being left behind. Java on phones is also turning out to be a big bonus in the market and is only going to get bigger.
Cheers


Sam Tilley SCJP, SCWCD
Guennadiy VANIN
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Joined: Aug 30, 2001
Posts: 898
Thanks, Linda Jones,
I fixed my radar. Seems like I should have a bunch of CVs. Each one for a country, profession (I have a few) and language...
Sam,
[quote ] Originally posted by Sam Tilley:
I talked to a IT recruitment guy the other day and he said the companies are unlikely to start many new projects until end of March - April i.e. the end of the financial year.
[quote ]

very informative.
Any idea how may I know about the end of year in other countries? I have heard that "Siemens Portugal" has the end in October. But it is multi-national conglomerate and foreigner in Portugal (and financial year ends the same as academic year, in Portugal, but accountancy is made 1-5 months later. I am speaking about payment of taxes)
. So, it sounds like it is possible that different companies inside the same country have different financial year ends or, otherwise, a multi-national company should have different end years from branch to branch.
What is determining the end of financial year? Isn't it synchronized over Europe?
Tony Evans
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Joined: Jun 29, 2002
Posts: 573
Hi Derek, the job market over here is very bad and will get worse before it gets better.
I have three yeras experience in Java, some oracle, C++ and C. I am looking at new careers now such as teaching. Less money but at least you need teachers to be located in a country rather than outsourced.
The future will be as I see it a small group of highly skilled workers and a great mass of unskilled workers in both the USA and the UK, while most middle class jobs will be in Chiba and India.
 
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