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Pradip Bhat
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Advt posted on naukri.com
{
GE-India Business Center
GE IBC in Hyderabad is a microcosm of GE Industrial systems USA, and the largest design and development Center for GE Industrial systems in the world.GE employees work on the latest technology tools.GE has been Fortune's most admired company for the last 3 years
Designation Java
Job Description -Engg with 2+ year of exp
-Experience developing Java communications applications, UDP experience is strongly preferred but not required. Experience with parsing and processing XML, ideally applying XML as a scripting facility but that is not a requirement. Experience with communication protocol development and testing is either required or highly desired.
Desired Profile -Female Candidate would be preferred.
Minimum experience 2 years
Maximum experience 5 years
Remuneration Negoitable
Location Hyderabad
Contact GE-IBC
Secunderabad
Email ge.options@geind.ge.com
Job Posted on 07 Mar' 2003
}
any idea why they have said "Female candidates preferred"?


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Sam Kebab
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You get plus points if you have a vagina?
Really bad.
Thomas Paul
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Vitor Belfort
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You get plus points if you have a vagina?

Not quite so. I don't think they're interested in hermaphrodites.
Jasper Vader
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maybe there is a workplace equality issue going on or something.


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Axel Janssen
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Originally posted by Jasper Vader:
maybe there is a workplace equality issue going on or something.

Do you have that in India?
Derek Grey
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hmmm!!!...interesting...
Sometimes large corporations like GE are given permission to operate from the Government in return to certain rules (apart from other things). Rules like
1. The company should set up branches/offices in under-developed areas so that those areas can get some growth technically.
2. The employers should encourage the minority/women/families with lesser income communities by giving them preference over the rest etc.
I think this one comes under the IInd rule. But hey one of my friend recently got transfered from Conneticut office to the one in India...shall ask him about the details.
-ST
Pradip Bhat
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2. The employers should encourage the minority/women/families with lesser income communities by giving them preference over the rest etc
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yes,this could be the case.Cultural Diversity is today's buzzword in many corporations here.
Also the assumption about the women working here are:
They are stable and generally don't leave the company for the sake of money immediately!!Married women generally get preference over unmarried women as former are supposed to be more 'stable' bcos of family.
[ March 10, 2003: Message edited by: rahul rege ]
Sam Kebab
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I think it would be better to just say something like: "We are an equal opportunity employer. Minorities and women are encouraged to apply."
Kevin Thompson
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I don't know what the deal is in India. But in the USA the ratio of female to men in the Java world is WAY out of wack. For example, here is what I have observed at java user group meeting (and yes - I have observed this on many occasions!).
If there are about 100 people in the room (I count the heads.) There are approx 95 men and approx 5 women. After the meeting, I make a point of talking to ALL the women present. That is when I find out that for the 5 women present, only 1 is actually a java developer. The rest are recruiters, there because their spouse is there, etc.
I have seen these types of ratios on many occasions. According to my research, there is about 1 female java developer present for 100 people attending a java user group meeting.
Kevin
[ March 11, 2003: Message edited by: Kevin Thompson ]
John Lee
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Is there anything wrong with "Female candidates preferred"? We see "BSCS candidates preferred", "3+ year experience candidates preferred",...all the time.
Of course, the best way is to say nothing but only interview female candidate.
Linda Jones
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
[QB]Is there anything wrong with "Female candidates preferred"? We see "BSCS candidates preferred", "3+ year experience candidates preferred",...all the time.
QB]

The difference there is everyone can potentially get a BSCS or 3+ yrs experience (ok in real life it depends on skill, money, luck etc) so it is not excluding people whereas it is much more difficult for the male candidate to become female (I know there's operations you can have but thats beside the point). Thats what makes this unfair (and illegal in a lot of countries).
Kevin,
My company is obviously doing well then, there's 40 developers here and 4 of them are women - a whole 10% I think they'd like to increase the balance, but the problem is there's no women applying when they do recruit.

Linda
John Lee
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

The difference there is everyone can potentially get a BSCS or 3+ yrs experience (ok in real life it depends on skill, money, luck etc)

And we are living in real life. So maybe it is safe to say: if you don't have a degree by 35, then you won't have it in your life?
Kevin Thompson
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Linda,
I had somebody explain their point of view on genders in IT to me this way - and I think to some degree it has merit ==>
Lets say there is a "group of men" who constitute the entire programming staff at a particilar company. There is a chioce to add just ONE more person to the group.
The way the men think of adding one more man ==>
A "competitor". Men compete with other men.
They way they think of adding a woman ==>
A "collaborator". Men do not necessarily compete with a woman. They can work "with" a woman, but with a man they end up competing.
So actually, adding a woman to the group is a big relief, whereas adding a another man to the group is just more stress in the workplace.
I thought it was an interesting way of looking at the phenomena. Of course, unfortunately, there are few women left in IT.
Kevin
John Lee
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In real life, if two candidates have equal qualification, one man, one woman, then I think most likely, the woman will get hired. So for a job that many men and women will qualify, it is understandable to put "female prefered".
Derek Grey
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In real life, if two candidates have equal qualification, one man, one woman, then I think most likely, the woman will get hired. So for a job that many men and women will qualify, it is understandable to put "female prefered".

Hey Don,
Would you mind justifying your opinion.
Thanks
-ST
John Lee
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Hi San:
That is just my thought. Image you are the hiring manager, who will you choose? assume they are exactly the same except sex. Same question to all the ranchers.
Regards,
Derek Grey
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assume they are exactly the same

I can't picture that...could you please elaborate on that.
Thanks
-ST
Kevin Thompson
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Don & San,
The reason why a woman is selected first (or at least should be selected first) is because of what I pointed out in my post. Women are "testosterone free" and as such, are better team players.
I have never seen a woman get involved in (I don't like to phrase it this way - but I don't know what else to call it ) --> the "pissing contests" in the IT workplace. But I have seen men do it - well - maybe 100s of times.
Kevin
Marc Peabody
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Could be a quota. The president recently challenged quotas at the University of Michigan. Personally, I think race and ethnicity should not be a hiring consideration for a job OR college entrance.


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Rachel Smith
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Well, I will be happy if the company is in Canada. At least, I can get a job as a Java developer.
The Moose
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
Image you are the hiring manager, who will you choose? assume they are exactly the same except sex. Same question to all the ranchers.
Regards,

Do you think that being a Moose would influence their decision?


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Melvin Menezes
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Originally posted by The Moose:

Do you think that being a Moose would influence their decision?

I guess it depends on whether you have the antlers and/or how many of them do you have
Amy Phillips
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I think its a great idea to actually acknowledge that women can have skills too. I am currently doing an IT placement in Germany as part of my Software Engineering degree in the UK and am frequently mistaken for the department secretary. An innocent mistake maybe but the males in my department (i.e. the rest of the department) cannot see anything wrong with me clearing the conference room etc)
Matt Cao
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Hi,
I think for workers male and male will compete, but male and female will colaborate. The only time you see male workers colaborate is when one take the other under his "wings".
The reason why there are so many male in the IT profession comparing to female, you need to consider the environment and how did we were raise.
In US both genders start out some what equal, but the female drop out because they hate loneliness and instability not because we lack of human contacts but because of the dedication level, as if a calling. Some may argue that IT profession still young. Four decades already went by revealing the IT industry failure to control the new technologies introduction rate. Another reason, female are wiser in term of street smart. She would pick the alternative profession that put her in front of people with the return is outweight the profession that she left behind. If people feel comfortable with her, they requested her -- stability.
A personal case in point, my sister starts out as CS worked her way into Marketing. Ends up as Asian-Pacific Marketing Director with AT&T. 9/11 event took her department away. Luckily, she ditched the meeting that day because of migraine. Her department reassembled but in Shanghai, China which she passed for the opportunity. Her reason, she already basked in the light, there is no need to chasing it.
Regards,
MCao
Rajaram Sharma
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Well,
I guess it should be ok.. In india not too many woman are in software when compared to men.
We should allow women to equally participate in opportunities.
I have seen them do that....

But I have seen some women who get into pissing contests as well....dont underestimate them...
career oriented women who are married but more intersted in career than family get into pissing thing...my old team lead was likee that.... she was ready to piss when ever... meaning high testosterone in her.. may be she was a gay .. but she was always in every bodies neck...
These are the words I have for her ...B**tch
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