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Salary Expectations with SCEA?

andy armstrong
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Joined: May 14, 2002
Posts: 154
With a
SCP and SCEA and SCWD plus 10 years experience
what would be expected salary..


Certifications: <br />scp2, scea, scwcd, WL7.0, CISSP, XML
Ajith Kallambella
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Joined: Mar 17, 2000
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Moving to Jobs discussion forum...


Open Group Certified Distinguished IT Architect. Open Group Certified Master IT Architect. Sun Certified Architect (SCEA).
Mark Herschberg
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Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
I think it depends on a lot of other factors like...
- degrees held
- experience in the particular field
- type of company your looking for
- how easily they could find someone else to do the same job- geographic location
- strength of resume/interview/recommendations
etc.

--Mark
andy armstrong
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Joined: May 14, 2002
Posts: 154
I guess I should have stated that all things being equal generally speaking in theory with all facets going well what is someones best guess at the salary range of a java developer
with similiar qualifications.
What do people thing the salary
range is for a senior java developer.
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
Andy:
- I would say with BS-Comp Sci + 3 yrs J2EE experiece with 5 yrs IT experience TTL, along with Oracle (or some other database), and WebSphere or WebLogic --- you should expect US$70-$75K in today's market.
- You may be able to get more with the defense contractors - but that can be debated.
- That's why I say that salaries will have to eventually go back up (my theory). Because in order to be an effective J2EE developer you need a 4 yr tech degree (most of us take 5 yrs to get BS-Comp Sci). You need 2 or 3 yrs to learn the J2EE model (Servlets, JSP, EJB) - I mean really know the stuff. Throw in databases, xml, uml, and web-services. Throw in management theory classes (our company makes us take 2 or 3 of these - and they go for like 20 weeks at 2 hours/week).
- On top of that, throw in unstability of the market and this industry. The fact that you will have to re-learn it all again in 5 years.
- And the market expects you to accept only US$75K/yr.
- No thanks.
- For US$50K/yr - I'll do the truck driving thing.
- I think you'll see more and more people drop out of the IT game in the next few years, and then salaries will again pick up. Has too. The talent required demands that it happen.
My two cents.
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)


John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
Derek Grey
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Joined: Feb 09, 2002
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I think you'll see more and more people drop out of the IT game in the next few years, and then salaries will again pick up. Has too. The talent required demands that it happen.
John,
This can happen only if offshoring stops.
Else, people have to work for less than 75K also.
Al Newman
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Joined: Mar 30, 2003
Posts: 716
Right now it's a buyers market, so it's whatever you can get.
Things will turn however. Outsourcing is going to prove to have it's problems, particularly for projects which have time pressures and which cannot be thoroughly specified beforehand.
The proce of developers in India has risen fairly steadily for 15 years or so with no sign of stopping. That is another factor.
Basically the recession will have to come to an end. Given how long this one has lasted I wouldn't be surprised if the end will be explosive rather than gradual. I've been through two so far. In 1983 we had explosive growth, but in the early 90's the change was gradual.


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Matt Cao
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Originally posted by Alfred Neumann:

Things will turn however. Outsourcing is going to prove to have it's problems, particularly for projects which have time pressures and which cannot be thoroughly specified beforehand.

You could send developers to the site for modification or hired local people. It depends on the length of the modification.

The proce of developers in India has risen fairly steadily for 15 years or so with no sign of stopping. That is another factor.

You could outsource to China or elsewhere for that matter.

Basically the recession will have to come to an end. Given how long this one has lasted I wouldn't be surprised if the end will be explosive rather than gradual. I've been through two so far. In 1983 we had explosive growth, but in the early 90's the change was gradual.

Great, you have any massive idea willing to share with us equivalent to dotcom.
I just hope your prognosis is correct. I am tired of long hours and no OT compensation.
Thanks,
MCao
Jason Menard
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Originally posted by San Tiruvan:
This can happen only if offshoring stops.

On the plus side, not all development is able to be sent offshore. Figure out what isn't suitable for sending offshore and try to push yourself into those areas.
shay Aluko
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Joined: Nov 01, 2002
Posts: 167
Originally posted by Jason Menard:

On the plus side, not all development is able to be sent offshore. Figure out what isn't suitable for sending offshore and try to push yourself into those areas.

please can you provide examples of what is not suitable for offshoring? -- i would like to know
Rufus BugleWeed
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Joined: Feb 22, 2002
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I'm not sure what task it is but in the St. Louis market in one group SBC hired five Indians in the last month.
Tighe Fagan
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Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Posts: 22
I am in the denver area and would expect between
100k and 120k for a salaried position.
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
Tighe Fagan:
- Are you doing Java work in Denver?
- Can you tell us a little about yourself?
- My friend & I were both laid off last year (different companies) in Denver. Both of us have MS-Comp Sci degrees, and we both do Java (Servlets, JSP work.
- I would love to get a US$120K Java job in Denver, but so would the other 10,000 folks laid off out there. Market there is utterly utterly dead in the Java arena.
- So again, tell us about yourself, your job.
Thanks,
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)
Tighe Fagan
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Joined: Jun 15, 2001
Posts: 22
John,
I am primarily a Swing developer with some J2EE experience. Given I have 5 yrs experience and an MS in COSC I would not expect the 100-120k salary for myself. I base most of my statement on the fact that I was making 88k salary from 2001-2003, which was post dot bomb. I was just laid off this month, but managed to get a job in 3 days. Yes, this was very fortunate. Now I am a Swing contractor doing quite well.
From my experience it seems salary in many situations is based on who you know. Knowing people on the inside at a corporation gives you an edge. As well as avoiding body shop contracting companies. I recieved 30% more money on this contract by going through a local company rather than a national one.
Things are looking up. All of my friends were working before a couple were laid off with me.
Those that are still out there looking have
solid leads.
thanks,
Tighe (Ty)
 
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