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Sara Jahan
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Joined: Apr 20, 2003
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Hi,
I am a Java person but not a Java-Java person. I worked in a company for three years where the main business was development of Telecommunication software systems for the Telecom operators like Billing, Fraud Management, Interconnect, Provisioning, etc. The stress in such companies is always on the domain knowledge rather than the programming skills. Some of the Software systems being developed used Java Technologies. I learnt Java while working there and also did SCJP. My first degree was not in a related field. This was affecting my career growth. I therefore quit the company to do an MSc in Telecommunications.
I am going to finish my course in about 6 months time and have started looking at the job sites again. Because of the way the job market is, I am suddenly very insecure. I have decided to do the SCWCD and SCEA exams. Is it the right strategy? I am banking heavily on the fact that Java would remain the language of choice for Telecommunication software systems. I enjoy programming but I also want to remain in the Telecommunication Software field.
/Sara
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Sarah,
What was your other degree in what? Did you have anyone advise you to quit the last position and pursue MS full time? Did you have participate in real project development while you pursue full-time higher learning education? Did you published any book, any article? Did you find the way to put your name into potential employers without actually writing a resume?
Regarding the telecommunication market outlook is depended on your definition of telecom. Is wireless counted?
Regarding additional Sun Cert beside Programmer, I would suggest for Architecture. If you are a macro visionary, who combines industry trend knowledge and organization capabilities with her own vision to benefit the organization for years to come. The company employs architect usually will remain on the scene for years. If you are detail oriented and like webbie, then welcome join the million rank and file also search for jobs.
I may sound harsh, the bottom line is you must convey to potential employers that you have ideas. You could elaborate on them if you see the potential employer show some signs of concrete position offering.
Cheers,
MCao
Fred Grott
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Joined: Oct 05, 2002
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There are currently several Middleware-Publishing-Wireless companies that are specializing in building J2Me application distribution systems for the telecommunications market..
I woudl think your exp and domain konwledge mightopen a few dooors..
But that of course depends upon what projects you worked on...


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Sara Jahan
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Joined: Apr 20, 2003
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi Sarah,
What was your other degree in what? Did you have anyone advise you to quit the last position and pursue MS full time? Did you have participate in real project development while you pursue full-time higher learning education? Did you published any book, any article? Did you find the way to put your name into potential employers without actually writing a resume?
Regarding the telecommunication market outlook is depended on your definition of telecom. Is wireless counted?
....
Cheers,
MCao

Thanks MCao for a detailed reply and some very good advise!
My first degree was in Politics (Eeeeee!). But I also did a 2-year part-time Software diploma (6 hours per week) course while doing my Politics degree. That's how I made the transition!
Nobody actually advised me to quit my last company. But the company itself(Europe-based Telecom giant!) as well as the industry was going through bad times!! I desperately needed a degree to survive... I did ask for a leave but study leaves were not being granted.
The class-room part of my course is over. I am right now working on a 6-month long project. I have chosen to do a J2ME project. But I still have time to change this project.
Yes, my definition of Telecom does include Wireless. Infact, all the Software products I have worked on focus more towards the mobile operators than the fixed ones. I also co-authored and presented a paper on Mobile Payments at an ACM Workshop in Atlanta.
You wrote:
"Did you find the way to put your name into potential employers without actually writing a resume?"
No, but would not mind some info about how to go abount doing this.
/Sara
Sara Jahan
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Joined: Apr 20, 2003
Posts: 120
Originally posted by Fred Grott:
There are currently several Middleware-Publishing-Wireless companies that are specializing in building J2Me application distribution systems for the telecommunications market..
I woudl think your exp and domain konwledge mightopen a few dooors..
But that of course depends upon what projects you worked on...

Thanks Fred!
Was considering J2ME myself.
Fred Grott
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Joined: Oct 05, 2002
Posts: 346
Originally posted by Sara Jahan:
Hi,
I am a Java person but not a Java-Java person. I worked in a company for three years where the main business was development of Telecommunication software systems for the Telecom operators like Billing, Fraud Management, Interconnect, Provisioning, etc. The stress in such companies is always on the domain knowledge rather than the programming skills. Some of the Software systems being developed used Java Technologies. I learnt Java while working there and also did SCJP. My first degree was not in a related field. This was affecting my career growth. I therefore quit the company to do an MSc in Telecommunications.
I am going to finish my course in about 6 months time and have started looking at the job sites again. Because of the way the job market is, I am suddenly very insecure. I have decided to do the SCWCD and SCEA exams. Is it the right strategy? I am banking heavily on the fact that Java would remain the language of choice for Telecommunication software systems. I enjoy programming but I also want to remain in the Telecommunication Software field.
/Sara

Sara I just spotted this...you may want to examine it:
http://miami.craigslist.org/sof/11257373.html
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Sara,
Since you have background in Politics pursuing Telecom discipline, should not pose a major arms twisting. Both disciplines play the major roles in our daily lives. I don't know how far did you venture in Politics, merely aspiring student is not enough. If you made it into rank and file systems, then it only add caliber into your career in Telecom.
The only trade magazine I have on the top of my head is Telcommunication. It has two versions America and International. There are several forums for developers to post there articles, www.developer.com one I frequently visit. I think if have time you could Google and find something worthy of your time.
Good Lucks,
MCao
Billy Tsai
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Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1297
I have a BSc in Information Systems Specilisation from a okay recongnised university in the Australasian region, the degree basically consisted of BSc computer science and BCom information management papers but not a full blown conjoint Bsc/Bcom double major.
also I have the following IT certification and I am pursuing SCJD right now
I am just wondering what kind of salary range can I get and is it possible to find a okay job with okay salary with my current status.
or should I finish SCJD first then look for a job after that?
btw I also plan to get OCP 9i DBA in the near future
but not without some incentives first
thanks


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Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Billy,
Why are so many certs? Did you making any return from them yet before planning another one? Are you enjoy coding so far in school? At work, you will plan for twelve hours a day and six days a week, if the management reasonable. Some will make you work for fourteen hours a day and six days a week. I am talking about good quality codes not bugs hive. That is only happened in the rush phase of the project.
IT profession is not that glory, it is full of up and down. The salary commensurate is depended on what is the hot one at the moment and what is your experience with that particular technology.
If you still live with your folks, then I think you should try for advance degree, prepare yourself into the management track at least. I do not see a company turn down a fresh MS or MBA. Just make sure to have some real-life projects handy while you are in school starting from undergraduate. I am not talking about the senior project which is a mandatory part of graduation package.
The days with BS degree couple certs and live a comfortable life is over since 9/11 at least in US.
Good Lucks,
MCao
Billy Tsai
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Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1297
well my grades are not that good until the last semester and I had quite a few fails.............
so I need something else to make up for my low grades and I dont think I can do a master degree with my low grades even though I have applied for some but still havent got any reply yet,
I am more interested in jobs related to system analysis and design or database admins + some programming
I see someppl here in the forum have quite a few IT certifications as well some even has nearly 10 certs so I am just wondering about what other ppl's opinions are
thanks
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Billy,
Keep up your grades. As an in-house consultant for OEM company with clients like Dell, HP, Apple, Sony, etc. I value potential candidates for the company with degrees more than certs. If the candidate happens to have downtime, then I like to see cert in between. It tells me the candidate like busy and prefers dynamic over static. Off course, I have no authority to hire only provide inputs for the Engineering Manager. But if the candidates from the 3rd party consultant, I want to see some certs.
FYI. Billy, low grade in school is not the end of the world. The key is to pick the best professor and the hardest one, it will paid off when you graduate and happen to interview by the alumni. He or she will value you more than other candidates.
Cheers,
MCao
 
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