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Anyone have any advice on getting a Java programming position?

Oliver Nono
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Joined: Apr 08, 2003
Posts: 19
Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone can give me advice on getting a Java programming position. I recently passed the Java 2 Certification test and would like to program Java professionally. The thing that is holding me back from applying to programming jobs is that I haven't done it in a work setting. I got my degree in Applied Math with Computer Science at UC Berkeley but have been working in tech support the past year and a half.
Is there any advice from professionals out there can help me land a job as a Java programmer? Are there things that I should be doing now to make myself more marketable? I have never even interviewed for a programming job so I really do not know what to expect. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Tim Holloway
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Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Move to Bangalore.
Either that or acquire some serious government security clearances.
There's already half a million of us who don't have Java jobs now that did 2 years ago.


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Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
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Hi Tim,
I thought you have a small gig in Connecticut.
The query reminds me of the Java faith. I logged into into Borland/Developer/Java this morning and found out since 04/21 there are articles suggesting the Java and C# integration is the trend.
Have you notice any major movement with Sun? As we know, Sun and Microsoft were headlocked. If Java and C# integration is the trend, then the Sun sets as well.
Just my 2 cents,
MCao
Tim Holloway
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Greetings, Matt.
I have been working as you mentioned, but this isn't exactly the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I've accepted a fairly low wage in exchange for keeping in practice and because I hate commuting so much that I'll gladly accept reduced pay just to avoid having to drive in traffic (this is not a mass-transit town I live in!). It's also pay-for-work and while the guy sending me the checks has made my life a lot more pleasant lately, it remains to be seen if the business will take off or not. Or even keep me at the break-even point.
Unfortunately, the minimum I can live on in this country is still 2-3 times the prevailing wage in India, China or the former Soviet republics. I'm simply treading water in the hopes that someday the skills I've spent all these years perfecting will once again be considered worth something.
On C#+Java. Borland is hedging their bets. They can't compete against Microsoft directly. Microsoft owns the OS, the latest compilers (as they "improve" the languages) and the latest IDEs (as required to develop the latest Windows software). They're only slightly better off relative to Sun in the Java market. So they're making efforts to deal with the fairly common situation where the internal products are done for Windows and the Enterprise products are done in Java. It's a scheme that has so far done well for them.
Personally, I may have been hanging around the (Linux) penguins too long, but I'm just not that excited about any Windows technology post Windows NT 4. Mostly what I design and develop these days is OS-independent, and - notwithstanding the Mono effort - stuff in C# won't make my Linux servers happy, but Java will. Even ANSI C/C++ will, so a degree, but C# is a language that Microsoft invented for Microsoft Windows, and it's going to be a long time, I think, before it is anything but that.
I try to keep up on MS technology, and I'll code C# for pay. But for my own uses I'm happy sticking to Java, Perl, ANSI C++ and other portable languages. Among other things, I can't afford to spend the money it would take to upgrade from Visual Studio to .Net development. Especially since it would require hardware upgrades as well as software upgrades.
In March 2001, I would have hardly thought twice about spending $2500 (about 1.2 lakh) for the purpose of investing in job skills that I might not actually need. Today, anything over $20 I have to think twice about. Fortunately I can get all I need to run J2EE under Linux for free.
And, as a bonus, I don't have to deal with hourly critical update alerts, spyware that installs by stealth and uses more CPU resources than my own apps, or Blue Screens of Death.
Derek Grey
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And, as a bonus, I don't have to deal with hourly critical update alerts, spyware that installs by stealth and uses more CPU resources than my own apps, or Blue Screens of Death.

What critical update alerts and spyware were u mentioning about? The reason I am asking is because of late I have seen that my Laptop running on XP takes a little longer to boot up compared to the first days after I purchased it.
Ofcourse I did load a few softwares but that should'nt slow it down so much.
Fred Grott
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Joined: Oct 05, 2002
Posts: 346
Originally posted by San Tiruvan:
And, as a bonus, I don't have to deal with hourly critical update alerts, spyware that installs by stealth and uses more CPU resources than my own apps, or Blue Screens of Death.

What critical update alerts and spyware were u mentioning about? The reason I am asking is because of late I have seen that my Laptop running on XP takes a little longer to boot up compared to the first days after I purchased it.
Ofcourse I did load a few softwares but that should'nt slow it down so much.

Its either the slow startup problem that MS acknowledge with their new security patch or you might need to run a program called adware..
If you visit a website on MS windows some can install adware on your computer with no warning..at least MS products do not warn...Netscape and Moz do not have that problem however..
Did you recently install a MS security patch? It woudl have been in the last 2 weeks..


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John Lee
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Joined: Aug 05, 2001
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Embeded system programming. pure programming jobs can be easily outsourced. the more it involed with hardware, the less likely it will be outsourced. just like design job, you have to stay close to clients, change the design over and over. so it has better chance to stay.
just my 2 cents.
Oliver Nono
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Joined: Apr 08, 2003
Posts: 19
Can anyone help me out here?
Sam Tilley
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Joined: Dec 05, 2001
Posts: 160
Hi Oliver,
Your best bet is to trawl back through this forum and see what other responses people have made. Your question has been asked hundreds of times before and with similar answers such as get involved in an online not-for-profit development site such as SourceForge to use your skills in the real world, look for a job that is either entry level Java or that uses the other skills you have and allows you to program in Java part-time to get the experience. Like everyone you will have to start at the bottom and work your way up
Also just having SCJP is not really enough as there are loads of them out there. Go for SCWCD and / or SCJD as well and look at XML. Set yourself apart from the rest. Get a good cv book and do lots of research into the job market and what you want to do.

Hope this is of help,


Sam Tilley SCJP, SCWCD
Derek Grey
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Joined: Feb 09, 2002
Posts: 204
hi Fred,
Yes I did download a security patch in the last 2 weeks period. I also remember seeing "adware" in my list of add/remove programs. What is that program for?
Do you suggest I remove it?
I also have noticed that everytime I start connecting through dial-up something called a "Dell Fin Viewer"(via Internet Explorer) comes up.
Ashok Mash
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 1936
Belongs to General Computing than to Job Discusson, still -
'adware' is those things that get automatically installed through IE in to your machine - 'adware' is responsible for those ad popups that comes out of no where, even when user is not really browsing. Some of these adwares even monitor and report back users net usage statistics, habits etc, so called 'spyware'.
'Ad-Aware' is a tool (much like an anti-virus tool) from Lavasoft, which will basically wipe the harddisk and registry of these adware's or spywares.
Hope this helps.
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