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Finally finished College, but you guessed it... No jobs.

Paul Belanger

Joined: May 13, 2003
Posts: 5
Well, I finally got my a$$ back to College 6 months ago to finish my Computer Programmer / Analyst diploma. And have been looking for employment for about the same period of time for a Computer Programmer. But, it seems nobody is looking for new grads, let alone experienced programmers. I'm in Ontario, Canada BTW.
I'm starting to feel the pain of beeing unemployeed. My current plan is to stock up on some certifications. IE. SCJP, SCWCP, maybe a M$ cert, but you get the idea.
I guess what I'm saying, is I'm fustrated! And want to know what happen to the world. And if people know of places or countries that are looking for new grads, want to let me know?
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi Paul,
Welcome to the real world.
How did you obtain the senior project for graduation? Some lame schools have intructor written up on the board for students to grab while others have companies came in and issued projects for students. Hope you did well for in the case you have to back and asked for jobs from those companies.
In desperation send a message to the other forum that posted job offering for minor hourly job.
John Lee
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Joined: Aug 05, 2001
Posts: 2545
Hi Paul:
Don't worry, be happy. have you thought about changing major?
Good luck!
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
- You say you have a diploma?
- Is this a 2 yr diploma? Is this from a community college, or a technical trades school?
- In the software programming game, you almost have to have a 4 yr college degree. If you don't, then you should consider it.
- That being said. I hope you did a project or two during the process of getting your diploma. I would talk to your old professors and see if they might have some work to do - even if it's unpaid. You are just looking for experience at this point.
- Your goal with meeting with profs should be twofold. First, get some experience. Two, get them to pay for remaining 2 yrs of college.
- Also, don't forget to talk to career service folks at your college.

- So you strike out with projectes and nu funding for your education.
- Now you need to get experience. To do this, you need to network. This means attending user groups - as many as possible. You need to talk with folks in the industry - so start applying for help-desk jobs. See if these help-desk job positions offer $$ for college.
- My company, American General Finance, offers US5K/yr to everyone (full-time) in company for job related education. Nice part about help-desk is that you can do shift work in evening and take classes during day.
- Bottom line, you want to turn your job search, networking into a full-time 40-60 hour a week job. Talk to everyone, anyone, anytime, anyplace. Get yourself a good suite, tie, wingtip shoes. Be ready to interview (both phone an in-person) at a moments notice.
If an employer were to call you today, you need to be able to jump on the situation. This is how the game will play out. Nothing one day, and employed the next.
- Yeah, it's a tough ride. going to school, working, worrying about the next gig. I went through it, as well as my fellow Java software co-workers.
- If you aren't willing to make the committment, then get out of the field today and right now.
- Reason I say this. We normally work a 40 hour week. But the past 3 weeks has seen a major crunch to get a project done. This means 5AM to 9PM including Sat/Sun. Finally had a break last weekend after 3 weeks of this.
- It means code walkthroughs on Sunday afternoons.
- It means still having to teach (my 2nd job) on Thurs and Fri - and sneak prep-time in for those classes while at work. Means walking a fine line at 1st job to go teach at 2nd job during major crunch time.
- It does necessarily mean a raise!!! This is considered normal part of business cycle.
- And this, after 2 undergrad (BS-Applied Math, BS-Comp Sci) and 1 grad (MS-Comp Sci) and about 2 yrs Java J2EE programming under my belt.
- And again, why I say market and salaries will increase to reflect the committment needed to succeed in this industry. And no, not everything will be shipped overseas (outsourcing).
- Hope this helps.
John Coxey

John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
Paul Belanger

Joined: May 13, 2003
Posts: 5
Thanks for your information. I'm not quite ready to jump ship on my Computer Diploma just yet. I'm willing to hang in there a little longer.
Ya, I have a 2 year diploma for a technical college. And yes, have to do a couple school projects.
I'm willing to put the time and energy into my career and looking for help-desk / support jobs too.
I am ready to jump at a moments notice, I have my suit and shoes ready. And I'm not afraid of a little hard work either. I actually enjoy coding, unlike some friends that I know.
Thanks for you information. I'll just have to hang in a bit longer, and increase my school / knowledge.
Paul Belanger

Joined: May 13, 2003
Posts: 5
Well who says luck does not change in a day! I got 2 phone calls today for interviews. I'm quite happay and excited. Looks like a step in the right direction.
John Lee
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Joined: Aug 05, 2001
Posts: 2545
Billy Tsai
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Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1304
I have a BSc in Information Systems Specilisation from a okay recongnised university in the Australasian region, the degree basically consisted of BSc computer science and BCom information management papers but not a full blown conjoint Bsc/Bcom double major.
also I have the following IT certification and I am pursuing SCJD right now
I am just wondering what kind of salary range can I get and is it possible to find a okay job with okay salary with my current status.
or should I finish SCJD first then look for a job after that?
btw I also plan to get OCP 9i in the near future
but not without some incentives first

BEA 8.1 Certified Administrator, IBM Certified Solution Developer For XML 1.1 and Related Technologies, SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCDJWS, SCJD, SCEA,
Oracle Certified Master Java EE 5 Enterprise Architect
John Lee
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Joined: Aug 05, 2001
Posts: 2545
looks pretty impressive!
maybe the best thing to do is to undate your resume, then start job hunting. then you will find out what you need.
I agree. Here's the link:
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