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John Spens
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Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 5
http://www.nomoreh1b.com/BankOfAmericaSuicides.aspx
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi,
It is a very sad story to read on Friday morning. But he could make his statement shown more widely and loudly by doing it inside the facility or going after his managers. Only in that way America corporations will wake up and American will have another idom beside "going postal".
He could give the defense companies a try, I see some huge ads in the newspapers. I think because Bush"ies" like precise arsenals and US Congress seems to favor that too.
I wonder is the man related to David Flanagan? I enjoyed his "In the Nutshell" books.
Regards,
MCao
John Spens
Greenhorn

Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 5
I agree. Very sad that he had to take this drastic step. Guess the daily stress of specualtion of his job finally got the better of him. It also goes to show that Corporate America gives a damn (We all know this) about the people here.
Matt Cao
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Joined: Apr 03, 2003
Posts: 715
Hi,
Be careful give your head a room to think logically. I hate to see you turn into an American Bin Laden. Think as a worker bee, a professional, a manager, or as an owner what would you do given the same piece of information.
The company probably have paperworks for him to sign during all these time. He could have asked for time to review before signing it. Have his lawyer to review it. If the company refused, he always have the opportunity to say NO to knowledge transferring too. Company will have to hire a consultant to replace him and train the H1B guy. Who's lose? He should have hang out with those came from war torn countries to learn how to restart one life from scratch when natural clock is ticking down.
Not everyone of us born as silverspoon so what if one going back to the root, it will test one soul mate creditability.
Regards,
MCao
Mark Herschberg
Sheriff

Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
I do sympathize with the worker, but before we go condeming the company, consider your actions? Have you checked with your credit card comapnies, banks, automanufacturer, etc about what jobs they sent overseas? Have you refused to buy their products? have you send letters of complaint to them?
The company is in a down economy trying to compete. They're simply making the seemingly logical choices from their perspective.
--Mark
John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
All:
I can relate to this gentleman's feeling of dispair and self doubt. However, he took the wrong approach. He should have sought other opportunities.
Those that have been on this board long enough has witnessed me go through three layoffs in the past 2 years.
Yeah, you get angry and go through the emotional roller-coaster. But that's the IT game.
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Personally, I am preparing myself by taking additinal certification exams and getting more real-world experience.
In addition, I am looking at where the US job market will be heading in the next 20 years.
That being said, I believe that healthcare will see the major employment gains in the next 20 years.
I am starting nursing school in 2 weeks (Anatomy & Physiology). Will still keep the full-time Java job and the part-time teaching job for now.
I think this constant re-evaluation of your skill-set is a vital part of your career. This is where this gentleman failed.
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)


John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
John Fontana
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Joined: Feb 28, 2002
Posts: 235
The hiring of H1B's and outsourcing is a symptom, not a cause.
However, as an individual business entity (we all are), I lobby for whatever causes (within ethical reason) which will improve my value.
Businesses will use whatever tactics they can to improve their position in the marketplace. As individuals, we must do the same. Will eliminating these programs improve our value as programmers in the U.S.? I think it's not that simple. The alternatives, such as downsizing, may do even more harm. At least with outsourcing, there are still projects being done, and they may come back to us at some point.
[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: John Fontana ]

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D. Rose
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Joined: Apr 25, 2003
Posts: 215
Hi John,
Are you John Spencer from Florida by any chance? Just curious.
John Spens
Greenhorn

Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 5
Nope. Not Spencer. It is Spens. I am from Ohio.
John Lee
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Joined: Aug 05, 2001
Posts: 2545
A tragedy indeed.
Charles Hickman
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Joined: May 20, 2003
Posts: 33
America is no more a land of oportunity.
it is a land of losses and bereavement.
 
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